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Game designer of Braid and The Witness. Partner in IndieFund.

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    1. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      Only a tiny minority of professional programmers have a clear picture in their minds of how fast modern computers are. 99.9% have next to no idea. How does this affect software that is even conceived? (Ignoring, for a moment, what is actually built, which we know is very slow).

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    2. Marco‏ @marco_nett Jul 25
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      it's bc of time and money, right? the faster our computers become, the less time and skill devs need to finish and release a product. the performance gain of a faster cpu gen is used to make _software development_ faster (and easier), not to make the software itself faster.

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    3. Marco‏ @marco_nett Jul 25
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      we abstract the hard parts away so development gets easier at the cost of efficiency and reliability. that kinda sucks. but it's also cool that people without a strong computer science background can sit down and write apps.

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    4. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      This is the common viewpoint, but I disagree with it. For example, development is not easier -- web development, for example, is ridiculously overcomplex and difficult for what it is. And that is the place where the most "tools" exist. Coincidence?

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    5. NilesFinch‏ @NilesFinch Jul 25
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      The base concepts are simpler. No memory management, types, SIMD, threads, etc. You have simple variables, control flow structures and functions. Yes, it's considerably harder to build a functional car out of legos, but...

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    6. NilesFinch‏ @NilesFinch Jul 25
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      ... once you've figured out how to build a functional car with legos, you can teach your 10 year old nephew how to build his own.

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      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jul 25
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      If it's so simple, then why are the things built with it so complicated, and unreliable, and hard to maintain, and have to be re-built completely every once in a while?

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        2. NilesFinch‏ @NilesFinch Jul 25
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          I explained why. Do you think a car made of legos would be easy to maintain or reliable? I didn't mean a toy car, I meant a daily driver car.

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        3. SuperJer's ɹǝʇʇᴉʍʇ‏ @superjercom Jul 25
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          Check yourself. You're arguing simultaneously that building your car out of legos is advantageous (easy enough for a 10 year old?) and also a terrible idea.

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        4. NilesFinch‏ @NilesFinch Jul 25
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          Do you have an argument or opinion of your own are you just going to incorrectly rephrase my statements? I never claimed it was advantageous.

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        5. SuperJer's ɹǝʇʇᴉʍʇ‏ @superjercom Jul 25
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          I'm sorry I thought being able to teach a 10-year-old was the advantage?

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        6. Kyle Matkat‏ @KyleMatkat Jul 25
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          I'm not sure what you don't understand? The argument is that 1) tools make the web accessible to non-experts, and 2) the products made using the tools are of a lower quality than what an expert could have made without using them.

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        7. SuperJer's ɹǝʇʇᴉʍʇ‏ @superjercom Jul 25
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          I actually do not understand the metaphor. I do not know what the Legos are supposed to represent. I thought HTML and JS originally, but now I don't know. And I don't know what the expert tools for web dev would even be, IRL.

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        8. Kyle Matkat‏ @KyleMatkat Jul 25
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          Legos represent tools (like JS) that simplify things by not requiring the developer to understand concepts such as memory management, types, SIMD, threads, etc. Expert tools for web dev would be lower level and therefore require understanding more of these concepts.

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        9. SuperJer's ɹǝʇʇᴉʍʇ‏ @superjercom Jul 26
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          Replying to @KyleMatkat @NilesFinch and

          OK but like does anyone actually use anything lower level than JS for web dev?

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        1. Kyle Matkat‏ @KyleMatkat Jul 25
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          @NilesFinch is obviously not claiming that it's simpler *for an experienced programmer*. The claim is that most web developers lack knowledge in key areas. If web development required knowledge of these areas, most current web developers would be out of a job.

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