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Game designer of Braid and The Witness. Partner in IndieFund.

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    1. Rafael Chaves‏ @abstratt Jun 16
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      BTW, I don't think LSP has that goal at all. LSP's main purpose is allowing language tooling to be reusable across editors/IDEs.

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    2. Rafael Chaves‏ @abstratt Jun 16
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      Also, LSP should be able to take advantage of a better local integration mechanism should one become available. I mean, for local use cases, at least.

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    3. Andreas Svensson‏ @syranide Jun 17
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      I agree, except that LSP is a specification and not implementation. So unless I'm mistaken, for this to happen you would have to introduce LSP2.0 or whatever and everyone would have to rewrite their implementations according to the new standard.

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    4. Andreas Svensson‏ @syranide Jun 17
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      So much like there are alternatives to C and C++, momentum is just too great to be easily overcome. Once LSP gains too much momentum the LSP is likely to be the future of IDEs. If a JSON-RPC socket-HTML-compatible-server is the future of IDEs... that would be sad.

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    5. Rafael Chaves‏ @abstratt Jun 17
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      For IDEs, I see no issue with LSP becoming the standard architecture. Local development becomes only a special case. With LSP, you get cloud readiness, browser-based editors, pools of language backends, solid language support even with lightweight editors (such as VSCode).

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    6. Andreas Svensson‏ @syranide Jun 17
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      So, you could instead optionally package the library as a server/IPC, best of both worlds. I'm not sure how to respond to "Local development becomes only a special case". LSP is doing nothing of the sort that would require cloud/server-farm, local development should be presumed!

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    7. Rafael Chaves‏ @abstratt Jun 17
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      LSP enables the scenarios I mentioned. Local dev is just one of the possible scenarios. It is also possible the server has no access to the client's file system. Browser-based editors is another scenario. https://github.com/sourcegraph/language-server-protocol/blob/master/extension-files.md … https://github.com/theia-ide/theia  https://www.eclipse.org/ecd/ 

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    8. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jun 17
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      Also maybe you have to develop using an alien language made out of smells!!! Also maybe someone invents an ansible and time machine and your server goes back in time to 463AD to locate Excalibur, while your client is on Flash Gordon's space ship. How do you handle that???

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    9. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jun 17
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      How about this: call me when I can even load a web page consistently.

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    10. Robert Walter‏ @RobertWalter83 Jun 17
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      Wow, going full Trump now, are we? Is a civil exchange of opinions really turning your rage meter up that much that you can only resort to sarcasm and immaturity? Lighten up, would you?

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      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jun 17
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      How much more lightened up could I possibly get than my previous response? Okay, I'll get serious for a minute: Engineering is about making correct decisions with regard to performance, robustness, functionality, and so forth. This is difficult under even the best

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        2. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jun 17
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          of circumstances; it requires lifelong study and a genuine desire to work hard to do a good job. The comments from a couple of people in this thread look clearly, to me, like they are coming from a context of not having done this study and hard work, and rather just having an

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        3. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jun 17
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          opinion that one wants to be right just because it is one's own opinion. Sorry, that is what got us into the current, very bad, situation in the first place. Don't bother me with that stuff. It is not worth consideration on the same level as opinions fro people who have really

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        4. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jun 17
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          done the hard work, had successes, made mistakes, lived through them, and from year to year have improved their results until they are drastically better than they started with. After one has done that work, the kinds of things one says naturally come out very differently,

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        5. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jun 17
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          because they are the product of a great deal of experience. Correspondingly, there are certain kinds of utterances that, when said, make clear that one just hasn't done the work yet. Demanding those utterances be taken seriously is a suboptimal use of everyone's time, including

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        6. Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jun 17
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          yours. You would be much better off just doing the work and getting to a more advanced place more quickly.

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        7. Robert Walter‏ @RobertWalter83 Jun 17
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          Thanks for being serious. No matter my experience, I will never be so condescending and judge a stranger's experience from a few twitter messages. 1) because its Twitter and 2) English is not everybody's first language (incl. myself), so misunderstandings are inevitable.

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        8. Robert Walter‏ @RobertWalter83 Jun 17
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          This is certainly why I mis-interpreted your earlier, lightened up comments wrongly, sorry for that. But in that sense, I hope I never get to your point of seniority, if in turn it means I don't value an exchange with people of "lesser experience".

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        9. Robert Walter‏ @RobertWalter83 Jun 17
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          Actually, given that you consider the loss of generational knowledge such a huge issue, it strikes me as a pretty weird thing that you consider exchanges with people who haven't put in time and work a waste of time, but I might also just not get your point here. Over and out.

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