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Game designer of Braid and The Witness. Partner in IndieFund.

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    1. Rik Arends‏ @rikarends Jun 1
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      After experiencing Rust i agree with @Jonathan_Blow that we took a wrong turn with 'higher level' languages. Not that Rust isn't very high level, higher than JS in fact, it was the ability to be low level as well that was lost. And was a very bad thing.

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    2. Rik Arends‏ @rikarends Jun 1
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      And as for what you can build, i have very real proof now that building UI in Rust is easier, far more stable, easier to refactor, and SO much faster to execute than JS

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    3. Ben‏ @bsansouci Jun 1
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      It’s nice to say that “building UI in Rust is easier than JS” but I think a majority of people don’t care about the long term benefits of doing so. Short term, Rust is definitely a much more difficult language to learn, or is there something I’m not seeing?

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    4. Jaap van Hardeveld‏ @JaapRood Jun 2
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      I think that’s a matter of “it’s something new to learn”, rather than being more difficult than JS. Transition costs. Knowing how to not shoot yourself in the foot with JS takes lots of experience as well.

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    5. Ben‏ @bsansouci Jun 2
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      Replying to @JaapRood @rikarends @Jonathan_Blow

      How well do you know Rust and JS? I believe that JS is almost trivial to learn and be proficient in compared to Rust, even including the learnings to not shoot yourself in the foot in JS. There is also a lot of meta stuff to learn in Rust, how to structure big programs etc…

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    6. Rik Arends‏ @rikarends Jun 2
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      Replying to @bsansouci @JaapRood @Jonathan_Blow

      JS is absolutely nontrivial to really master, has illogical edgecases and the runtime/compiler doesn't help you with meaningful errors. My knowledge of JS is extensive. Rust is easier, and my bet is, with the right environment much nicer for beginners.

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      Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow Jun 2
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      Replying to @rikarends @bsansouci @JaapRood

      I have to agree with this. Strongly-typed languages with clean semantics are way easier to learn than something like JS. (I learned on BASIC, asm, and Scheme ... so I know several flavors of the pain of trying to learn when there are runtime errors you get no help with.)

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        2. Richard Feldman‏ @rtfeldman Jun 2
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          Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @rikarends and

          I personally strongly prefer Rust to JS, even having done much more JS than Rust in my lifetime. Still, I don't think Rust would be easier for beginners to learn. They can get up and running with JS without learning what the stack and heap are, let alone lifetimes and borrowing.

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        3. Rik Arends‏ @rikarends Jun 2
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          Replying to @rtfeldman @Jonathan_Blow and

          Well, that also depends a bit what 'up and running' means, i hope to add a new kind of coding-env where design/code hybrid and lots of templates will make this early stage easy. Also the model i have for UI makes borrowchecker fighting quite rare.

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          I've also seen many novices throw a fit at how illogically complicated JS can be, and to be a 'programmer' you do need a working model of stack/heap/variables, i think. Maybe its time also to realise that being a programmer requires a few basics to be understood.

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        5. Stefan‏ @DigitalStefan Jun 2
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          As a perpetual novice (my coding powers peaked with the Amiga 1200), Javascript looks friendly and nice but is a complete bitch behind your back until you get to know her intimately. Rust... having touched it briefly and only since yesterday, appears elegant and aloof.

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