(I think it is bad to turn off ad blocking, and if this happens it will result in me using the web much less than I do today ... which is probably good in the end. But if you are going to solve the problem, solve the problem.)
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Hacker News upset that Google is going to turn off ad blocking: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20044430 … Few mention complexity of the web; nobody points out that if it weren’t so insanely complicated, it wouldn’t require a huge industrial effort to build a browser, so there would be no problem.
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(If you are one of these Maoist Che Chavismo “we must destroy capitalism” types, probably the best thing you can do is figure out how to simplify software, so that anyone besides Google is capable of making software 20 years from now.)
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(When I tried Firefox some months ago, it couldn’t even scroll a web page without lagging very hard, so I am not sure why anyone thinks this is going to be a solution).
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It’s kinda weird that under a thread about the system’s complexity, the most discussed point is ‘Firefox couldn’t even scroll a web page without lagging’
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It’s like when everyone bikesheds about programming language syntax rather than talking about things that matter.
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It's unfortunate that most of the reasons the web is so complex is because of security concerns that exist because of assholes wanting power/money. Tech could be a hell of a lot simpler if that wasn't there, but that shouldn't stop us from still trying to simplify what we can.
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Most of the complexity has nothing to do with security, though.
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I guess at this point so much crap has been piled on itself, so yeah
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Hi! I've been seen your arguments in this topic which i agree, but i feel a lack of possible paths or ideas to improve this, not that is not hard, but we are talking to make simpler complex things, you are an expert and probably see it clear, but a hook for the ones not so?
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I mean when coding to avoid a problem you add a layer of indirection most of the time, but how you achieve the same without create a big mess of overhead?
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Adding a layer of indirection is the problem. We need to stop teaching people that this is the right thing to do, or the default way of approaching a problem.
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just out of curiosity why do you consider this addition of indirection a problem?
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Because after you pile more than a couple layers on you have a huge tree of indirection, which isn't fun to climb.
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It can be a lot easier to understand 1 function that is just a progression of (even complex) statements than trying to u derstand a function that calls into 3 different libraries and you have to either chase a bunch of source files, or resign yourselfto black box mentality.
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It's not just about complexity of understanding either. I saw someone suggest this as a method of searching backwards through an array (in JavaScript): `arr.reverse().find(x => x === foo);` This is marginally "easier" to read than a reverse for loop. It is also 99% slower.
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Yeah, I didn't want to get into perf things for fear of getting called a premature optimizer (I don't think I've ever optimized a function lol, I don't even really know how to profile). But just easiness is a huge benefit of straightforward code.
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The incentives for making it simpler aren't there either. Since google is sitting at these spec meetings, they have an incentive to entrench their position even further by increasing the complexity of the web. Google has a history of breaking other browsers "accidentally" too
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Google doesn't want the money because they want to build a better browser lol it's the other way around. They're capitalizing on their market share. Same reason they want faster broadband: it makes it easier to consume ads
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Are they implementing it into Chromium or just Chrome? Maybe Edge is an option now!
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Chromium is open-source, they don't own it. Chrome is just Google's modified version of Chromium. Similar to how Android is their modified version of Linux.
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Yes I know that. I'm asking if they're implementing it into Chromium or just Chrome....
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pretty sure they're implementing it into chromium so Opera, the new Edge and other browsers that use Chromium will be affected too(assuming they don't fork chromium but given potential security issues that doesn't seem likely)
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If true then that sucks major ass. Guess I'm forced to use Firefox if this happens :(
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