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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 23

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If someone wants to make software with the agenda of deeply simplifying the mess that we today call software, I will be happy to sponsor it:https://twitter.com/github/status/1131476921693474816 …

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 23

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A terminal would be great. A command shell would be great. Of course I am working on the programming language angle, but other approaches to that would be beneficial. UI toolkit ... file search program ... window manager ... etc. Everything right now is a trash fire, so

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 23

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anything that can be successfully replaced is a significant help. The trick is to make the replacement as simple and good as it really can be, which is hard when one has grown up surrounded+informed mostly by bad software.

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Joshua Emmons‏ @jemmons May 23

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Do you think formal methods have a role to play here? Maybe as a way of specifying the simple behavior thus allowing cruft to be shed while maintining a metric for "good"? Or will necessary complexity quickly outpace any formal spec?

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 23

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Formal methods are mostly orthogonal. The impulse to increase complexity is independent of that.

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Joshua Emmons‏ @jemmons May 23

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Is there anything to curb that impulse apart from just, I guess, knowing better? If not, how is knowing better passed to the next developer? Or is the hope to gather a small coalition of people who know better to write good foundations to teach by example?

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 23

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I think it just involves knowing better. If we change the way things are taught, more people will know better, but that probably takes a long time.

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Tanel Tagaväli‏ @realclinei May 24

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Can we create tools that make complexity and its cost more painful and visible, like a time travel debugger where you move around the execution with WASD, so every line of code makes the number of keypresses bigger? Something like this: http://clinei.github.io/codeliteral

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Jonathan Blow‏ @Jonathan_Blow May 24

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I definitely want to make some kind of tool that shows growth in the complexity of your code base over time..

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1. Tanel Tagaväli‏ @realclinei May 24
  
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  What about a tool that's a game where the goal is fixing bugs, and the codebase is a detailed world that's alive and that you instantly recognize and care about, and it gets corrupted as you add more complexity. You will see and feel the complexity through your keystrokes.
  
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