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On the @JoeRogan Experience, I showed graphs showing the sudden and sharp rise of depression and self-harm among U.S. teens, esp. girls, after 2011. But I FORGOT TO SHOW THE SUICIDE GRAPH; see below:
Here's the key section of our talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI6rX96oYnY … #TheCoddlingpic.twitter.com/bmbO9Bx7RN
In #TheCoddling, @glukianoff and I say why we think the spike for Gen Z has 2 major causes: Overprotection, since the 1990s, and social media, since around 2010. Here's the graph I showed on @joerogan for major depression:pic.twitter.com/KLY1ElyjLR
In the video clip I explain why social media affects teen girls much more adversely than teen boys. You can see the different effects in this graph of changes in self-harm leading to hospitalization. No change for boys. (data is from https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2664031 … )pic.twitter.com/eFdCWCQ4fs
but the change for teen girls is massive, esp. for pre-teens, for whom the rate has nearly tripled. This also shows that the rise in depression is NOT just a change in comfort discussing mental health; this, and suicide, are NOT self-report data.pic.twitter.com/RjfWks41dQ
Note that the increase for women in their 20s is small and linear. They got social media in college or later; it wasn't so damaging. But middle school is really hard, esp. for girls. Social media makes it much harder, may cause chronic stress for many.
This is why I am on a campaign to encourage parents to adopt 3 norms: 1) all screens out of bedroom 30 min before bedtime; 2) no social media until high school; 3) time limits on total daily device use (such as 2 hrs or less)
Oh, and one more graph, showing how sharp the divide is between millennials and Gen Z. This is the rate of self-report among US college students of having a "psychological disorder". Rates increase as Gen Z replaces millennials:pic.twitter.com/tIYPNX06cg
Adding a few new tweets on Feb 9: In #TheCoddling, @glukianoff and I were very careful about inferring causality, from social media to mental health outcomes:pic.twitter.com/VbKiwAShXy
and we offered fairly moderate advice -- no moral panic, no bans. From what i've learned since, 2 hours may be too low, for many kids; depends on many factors, how kids use devices.....pic.twitter.com/10wwfqZ0Dj
I am digging more deeply into the vast and complicated research literature on the links between social media and mental health in this Google Doc listing abstracts. Inviting researchers to critique it too:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w-HOfseF2wF9YIpXwUUtP65-olnkPyWcgF5BiAtBEy0/edit?userstoinvite=iamgoddard@gmail.com&ts=5c5e549a&actionButton=1 …
I respect your work a lot, but have worked on adolescent mental health for a long time and these claims are just not supportedhttps://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2018/04/06/teens-youths-mental-health-smartphones-addicted …
hi Candice! Great to hear from you. I agree with most of what you say here; moderate use is fine. I'll respond more later this week.
Hi John, important conversations to be had in this space for sure. Take a look at this new study if you haven’t seen ithttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-kids-who-use-tech-seem-to-be-all-right/?amp;text=The …
yes, that is what piqued my interest in doing a review. Please see here, and i invite you to comment directly on the doc, just ask for commenting access:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w-HOfseF2wF9YIpXwUUtP65-olnkPyWcgF5BiAtBEy0/edit?userstoinvite=iamgoddard@gmail.com&ts=5c5e549a&actionButton=1 …
I am a bit confused by this. Neither you nor Jean have expertise in adolescent depression and both publicly share the view that tech use causes it; so the idea that you are self appointed gatekeepers to the review and comment does not seem like the best place to start?
Also you didn’t address his argument and instead cited his credentials which is the argument of a pretentious child. I live next to an addiction center for video games and social media in Washington and have several friends who committed suicide from bullying online.
It’s pretty easy to craft a narrative when you choose a very particular plot with a large amount of data missing. Pretty clear why you stopped at 1999.pic.twitter.com/j8R7jTRjx0
yes, you're right; i will soon examine that in the context of crime and violence which spiked for boys like that. crime wave ends in mid 1990s (i think cuz leaded gas was banned in 1980)
Is it any bigger than the recent increases in the overall suicide rate in America?
for boys, no. for girls, yes.
Hypothesis on why?
Social media makes mean girls even meaner. It's easier to demonstrate to unpopular girls that they are excluded. All the time. Standards set by Instagram models may also play a role. Boys don't care about popularity that much. They just play games on their PCs.
At least that's what I remember from reading #TheCoddling
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