Nice, but the original recommended circumcision in cases of recurring infection, and the second recommended it in cases of scarring, so my point still stands. In those cases we would have to go back and circumcise you, but it would be banned- so your dick would drop off.
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There's also no way to justify a 77% circumcision rate medically. Australia's is somewhere around 20-25%, still too high imo, and we don't have millions of men unable to urinate or copulate. My intact boys have had no issues, and will be in the majority as they get older.
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No, you’re getting off-track here. My argument was with a self-proclaimed “intactivist” about whether or not it’s genital mutilation or a medical procedure. I then showed evidence that it was a medical procedure, not mutilation. I disagree with doing it for no reason.
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A procedure is only labeled as 'medical' when said procedure is medically indicated. Since, if left alone most intact men have no issues with their foreskins, if done prior to any issues being apparent, it's mutilation.
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Removing a woman's breasts for no reason would be mutilation. Having a double mastectomy because you have a genetic profile that virtually guarantees early and terminal breast cancer is a medical procedure.
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And even if that case, we don't do that surgery until a woman is old enough to legally consent to it.
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Phimosis can be detected early. Preputioplasty would be harder than circumcision for babies. Balanitis infections can be really dangerous for babies, and if they’re one of the 11% of clinical attendees or catch it from another child, circumcision can prevent it from recurring.
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Phimosis is not even diagnosable until early to mid teens. The AVERAGE age of retraction is 10 years old.
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You’re not mentioning balanitis. That was the main part of the statement there.
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Less than 1% of men need to be circumcised for medical reasons. All of the other proposed 'benefits' are more easily solved with good hygiene, antibiotics or condoms. Or are not significant enough to justify RIC. (Penile cancer is the rarest cancer for men, 1/100,000)
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Quick googling shows that balanitis is treatable, and avoidable with good hygiene in most cases. It's worth noting I've had multiple cases of thrush and UTIs, and no one has recommended cutting any of my genitalia as a solution. Anti-fungals and probiotics were recommended.
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I said chronic balanitis, not balanitis. Tonsillitis is treatable and avoidable but if you’re prone to getting it often (chronic) you get recommended to have your tonsils removed.
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Yes, but many more people have 'occasional' tonsillitis than chronic. I would guess that the percentage of men diagnosed with chronic balanitis is much smaller than those with a single, treatable case.
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And if all other avenues have been exhausted, and circumcision is all that's left, then it's a medical procedure.
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You’ll find (by reading all of the replies I’ve written) that I agree with you. That’s why the idea that surgery should be considered before anything else isn’t my argument. I’m arguing that it is a medical procedure and has multiple valid uses, unlike female circumcision.
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If you to argue that, I would argue then that it should be used as a last resort 'treatment', never as a prophylactic procedure. I'd like doctors to stop recommending it so quickly. It gives people the impression it's the best way to treat these problems.
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It’s not presented like that, they ask you and according to HIPAA they have to give you the pros and cons. Educate the parents, don’t blame the doctors for doing their job. It’s not like they enjoy extra work.
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Scroll to the top of the thread, and you’ll see me ask an intactivist if he disagrees with it medically, and he said yes. You can’t gatekeep a movement, so therefore your argument is fundamentally flawed.
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