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Interested in open discussions and improving the world by fixing perverse incentive structures. Author of the pro-diversity #GoogleMemo.

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    1. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @nikitakarachoi @CathyYoung63 @clairlemon

      I haven't read the article yet, so I apologize if you already answered this question in it, but is there any way the recording could be made public. A distortion of that nature seems like a pretty big deal and it would be nice to have indisputable proof.

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    2. peggy sastre‏ @nikitakarachoi 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @phl43 @CathyYoung63 @clairlemon

      the audio is herehttps://www.dropbox.com/s/gg75w5kgnnhwhh0/2018.10.28%20TheoryGenderTalk.m4a?dl=0 …

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    3. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @nikitakarachoi @CathyYoung63 @clairlemon

      Thanks, I'll listen to it, but if what you say is true it's really outrageous. Possibly even worse than in @JamesADamore's case, who might also want to listen to this recording.

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    4. MaskUpAlready Selina‏ @SelinaDavis73 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @phl43 @nikitakarachoi and

      Will be interested to hear your &/or Cathy's impressions of the audio - I'm not likely to slog thru it myself

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    5. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @SelinaDavis73 @nikitakarachoi and

      I'll try to listen to it while I'm eating during the coming days and I will report back on Twitter. Fortunately it doesn't seem to be very long.

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    6. James Damore‏Verified account @JamesADamore 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @phl43 @SelinaDavis73 and

      The "attack" was him quickly giving an example of possible gender discrimination against him, which was taken humorously by the audience (laughter, at 20:30 in the audio). It was a post hoc justification for CERN's actions just like my "code of conduct violations" for Google.pic.twitter.com/lHYs7QdyZs

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    7. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @JamesADamore @phl43 and

      The laughter was after one of the people present asked Strumia why he didn't have a university professorship with such impressive citations and he basically said "let's not discuss that."

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    8. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @JamesADamore and

      And sorry, I don't think it matters that it was done "quickly." He put up a slide suggesting that one high-level female physicist had unfairly gotten her position b/c of gender & another was hiring only "gender experts" for a theoretical physics post. That's an attack, for sure.

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    9. James Damore‏Verified account @JamesADamore 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @phl43 and

      There were chuckles throughout, just more laughter at the point you mentioned (the audio is low quality). I've seen plenty of those "attacks" in the reverse direction though. I seriously doubt this slide was the cause of the controversy or is justification for his firing.

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    10. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @JamesADamore @phl43 and

      Yeah, the audio quality is terrible. And of course it's possible that he would have been fired anyway! I agree PC in science is a real problem! But he also shot himself in the foot with the personal reference & a couple of other things.

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      James Damore‏Verified account @JamesADamore 6 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @phl43 and

      Yeah agreed, English not being his first language may have also made him blunter than ideal. His results seemed novel to the audience and thus a contribution to the conference though (some of his data may be an artifact of women disproportionately taking family leave though)

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        2. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 6 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @JamesADamore @phl43 and

          Right. Also, according to this post, the citations gap he found is erased when you eliminate people who've dropped out of the field after publishing 1-2 papers (more women than men).

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        3. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 6 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @CathyYoung63 @JamesADamore and

          Also, seriously, claiming that there was never any sexism in physics and that Marie Curie's Nobel Prize shows any woman was welcome even if she could prove herself is pretty asinine

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