j.r. leonard

Except that’s not what happened. The ACA just shifted costs from one group of middle class people to another, while maintaining the cartels that make the most from our healthcare system. If that’s your litmus test for a moral stance, then your ethics needs work

In what fashion could we possibly have gotten rid of private insurance? I don’t see how it would have been possible unless very different people were in very specific senate seats.

You keep asking me about what “we could have gotten” and that has nothing to do with what I’m talking about

Well you’re the one saying we should have eleminated “cartels.” Do you actually think that was possible in 2009? It was your proposal not mine.

That’s not what I said. I said that it’s absurd to make support for the ACA the litmus test for who’s moral or immoral. You’re free to like it. You’re free to think it was necessary and the only thing possible, but that doesn’t make you a better person to people who don’t like it

That’s pretty much what Bernie supporters do in making support for M4A the litmus test for who really cares about their fellow human beings and who’s a corporate shill. It’s more wokelympics

You call it woke I call it making sure everyone has healthcare. The alternative being proposed is just repeal of the ACA. That’s not better by any measure. It would cause more preventable deaths.

I don't like Bernie's M4A for a lot of reasons, but aiming to massively expand lifesaving health coverage is a good and IMO moral act.