Here is my one normative opinion in this conversation: that is a terrible take and is probably why Democrats don’t win more elections. People don’t like moral scolds, especially when it’s paired with an unearned sense of superiority
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Replying to @J_RtheWriter
What would you have us do instead? Not pass these types of laws and just ... sort of dither ?
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Replying to @kstreethipster @J_RtheWriter
They voted against a law that got their neighbors healthcare/ that’s not being a scold it’s just pointing out a fact. They care more about themselves than other people. They would have everyone who got coverage lose it again. How is that ethical?
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Replying to @kstreethipster
I’m sorry, but that’s pretty much the definition of a moral scold.
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Replying to @J_RtheWriter
So should we never point out this kind of behavior then? Sigh. What good are ethics if we can’t discuss them?
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Replying to @J_RtheWriter
It literally is. Harming people for your own self interest is unethical. It’s the golden rule: the center of all ethics. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
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Replying to @kstreethipster
No. Ethical discussion involve establishing an ethical framework, thinking through various lines of moral reasoning, and an honest assessment of counterfactuals and differing opinions. Assuming you’re right and lecturing other people for not agreeing with you is moralizing
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Replying to @J_RtheWriter
Ok well my ethical framework is utilitarian satisfaction of human needs. The greatest good for the greatest number. And in my view selfish financial interest is not more important than health insurance. And it’s malicious to have that kind of selfishness because it harms others.
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Replying to @kstreethipster @J_RtheWriter
“All these people aren’t my problem” isn’t just some opinion, it’s a set of really malicious values. Values that harm the society as a whole.
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The other aspect of meaningful ethical discussions is refraining from offering these kinds of very weak straw man characterizations of people who might disagree
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Replying to @J_RtheWriter
It’s literally the same rationale you yourself stated for why some people opposed the law. Their own personal financial self interest. So is the straw man yours as much as mine?
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