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And Norway and Denmark are definitely the best examples you're going to find (and whether they're "socialist" is debatable of course). Do people really believe American "socialism" would create a utopia like the ones being regularly promised in op-eds like these??
People who believe this are the people who’ve internalized the belief that every bad thing that’s ever happened in history is “capitalism” It’s like the hardcore libertarians who believe that every bad thing is “the state” and once the state is smashed, utopia will follow
And that all one need know about "socialism" is that it's a synonym for "everyone's, just, like, nice to each other, man,+everyone gets everything they need to be happy,+nobody's allowed to do any mean stuff,+everything'll be great+we won't have to think about politics any more."
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