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    1. Andy Vance‏ @AndyVance 29 Nov 2018
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      Andy Vance Retweeted Noah Smith  🐇

      Here’s today’s reminder that the traditional liberal arts education is on life support, and that the modern university system has become a rather expensive job-training program. Fascinating.https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1068034525928673280 …

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      Noah Smith  🐇Verified account @Noahpinion
      College majors gaining the most in popularity: Exercise science Computer science Nursing Health and medical Computer and electrical engineering College majors losing the most in popularity: History Religion Area studies Humanities Languages and literatures other than English pic.twitter.com/G3kiEQX5DS
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      16 replies 38 retweets 153 likes
    2. Gruntled‏ @NeverTr74704466 29 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @AndyVance @Noahpinion

      At some point students had to start responding to the huge economic incentives that the prospect of a massive debt load creates. You can't borrow $50K to study what you want. That's a luxury for people who have the money already.

      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Andy Vance‏ @AndyVance 29 Nov 2018
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      Valid. It's also worth pondering what we as a society are losing by foregoing the broad base of knowledge and perspective the student theoretically gains via a broader undergraduate education, rather than on one that is merely a means to an end.

      3 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    4. Chad Gonczy‏ @ChadGonczyHPB 29 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @AndyVance @NeverTr74704466 @Noahpinion

      Why are we "foregoing" this? What stops students from still getting that education, except for from world class profs, for free, at their own pace, from their living room?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Andy Vance‏ @AndyVance 29 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @ChadGonczyHPB @NeverTr74704466 @Noahpinion

      Thanks for catching the homophone typo, Professor. One of these days Twitter will come around to installing that edit button. If I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that the traditional liberal arts model of education is unnecessary because of... the internet?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Andy Vance‏ @AndyVance 29 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @AndyVance @ChadGonczyHPB and

      ...if that is what you're suggesting, certainly people *can* choose to study a variety of topics online, at their own pace, from their living room. But assuming that people will just take it upon themselves to study civics and philosophy seems... naive, I suppose.

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    7. Chad Gonczy‏ @ChadGonczyHPB 29 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @AndyVance @NeverTr74704466 @Noahpinion

      Well it seems you are saying that students really WANT this education but that cost of tuition discourages Im telling you this education is free Then you seem to be saying "yes, but its naive to think they want it for FREE."

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Andy Vance‏ @AndyVance 29 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @ChadGonczyHPB @NeverTr74704466 @Noahpinion

      It's an interesting question... at some point in history, we seemed to share the notion that it was important to have a broad, well-rounded education, and that it was important to study letters, to to speak, regardless of economic outcomes. We've moved away from that as an ideal.

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    9. j.r. leonard‏ @J_RtheWriter 29 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @AndyVance @ChadGonczyHPB and

      This doesn't seem right. More that, a very small percentage of the population went to college and they studied humanities because their economic futures were secured by membership in the upper class. Everyone else was always mostly getting vocational training, just not in college

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    10. Andy Vance‏ @AndyVance 29 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @J_RtheWriter @ChadGonczyHPB and

      One of the commenters on the original post made the wry observation that there aren't enough trust-fund babies studying the humanities, and to some extent you make a fair point. But granting the point, I'm not sure that changes the underlying concept all that much.

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      j.r. leonard‏ @J_RtheWriter 29 Nov 2018
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      Replying to @AndyVance @ChadGonczyHPB and

      What's the underlying point? Has the percentage of the population getting liberal arts education declined? Or have a bunch of new people gone to college to get vocational training? If the latter, then, no real change (other than a lot more wealth being siphoned from young people)

      3:01 PM - 29 Nov 2018
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        2. Andy Vance‏ @AndyVance 29 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @J_RtheWriter @ChadGonczyHPB and

          The point: there is a societal good to be gained from an educated citizenry, with "educated" in this case meaning in the vein of the liberal arts tradition. In other words, that the point of college is as much about making good people as it is about making good workers.

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        3. j.r. leonard‏ @J_RtheWriter 29 Nov 2018
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          Replying to @AndyVance @ChadGonczyHPB and

          OK. As a Phil/Eng. Lit. major, I'm all for being sentimental about humanities education. But why is percentage of college majors the relevant data point and not percentage of total population? In the imagined past that you're nostalgic for, most people didn't even go to college

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