Overthrowing governments is bipartisan. Democrats: 2011 Libya 2009 Honduras 1999 Yugoslavia 1966 Ghana 1965 Dominican Republic 1964 Brazil 1964 The Congo Republicans: 2019 Venezuela 2004 Haiti 2003 Iraq 1991 Haiti 1989 Panama 1983 Grenada 1973 Chile 1954 Guatemala 1953 Iran
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Man that’s bullshit it was the western forces military intervention that made the difference. It’s like saying the people overthrew Assad. Libya was a colossal western intervention fuck up and it’s people, the region and the west still feel the unnecessary fallout
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Bullshit. 50k dead in Libya since 2011. More than 500k dead in Syria, where we did not decisively intervene against the dictator. Which is why most Libyans support NATOs intervention.
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More than 500k dead in Syria, the West intervened and Russia intervened. It was a proxy war to change political dominance in the region. You have no counterfactual for the West not intervening in Libya. Libya has not recovered - slave markets, no unified government etc
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There were slave markets in the 90s under Gaddafi. At no point did the west decisively intervene to kick out Assad. If we had in 2011, hundreds of thousands would still be alive.
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What complete bullshit. You don't think you could get away with these lies with those who know what the US has done? US, Israhell, Saudi funded ISIS terrorists killed 500,000 Syrian CIVILIANS. And who could ever forget Hillary the war witch & her evil "We came, we saw, he died!"
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Assad killed the vast majority of the Syrians who died in that civil war you fucking fool. Go suck a dictator's wang some more
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I refuse to believe you are this naive
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I have zero tolerance for dictators or their defenders. Sometimes intervention works. Ask the Bosnians.
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Every leader has lots of enemies. Ghadaffi's were sought after and empowered. Even the air strikes to his convoy that allowed his capture and killing was from foreign powers.
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NATO airstrikes made the Libyan people's victory possible. And that is a good thing. Fuck Gaddafi. I wish he had died a thousand times.
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ya people literally be sold into slavery and a failed state is just wonderful!
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People were being sold into slavery under Gaddafi too. Its documented back in the 90s. 50k dead in Libya since the revolution. More than 500k dead in Syria, where the dictator was not stopped. Do the fucking math
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dude im not a supporter of Assad nor Gaddafi but i find hard to believe anyone could argue that Syria and Libya are better off post 2011. plus your argument hinges on the idea that NATO/west forces were intervening for human rughts/freedom
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Syria is not better off. Because we did not intervene to stop Assad's air force. Libya is better off now than under Gaddafi. Talk to some actual Libyans, as I have. Talk to Syrians. Talk to Kurds as well. The intent behind the aid is meaningless. Our weapons kept them alive.
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I... Beg to differ. Lybia was honestly really useful to Italy and Europe. In particular to Italy cause we ate a lot of shit from him to buy energy in the form of natural gas (we had saturated all the hydroelectric and need more). France pushed for it https://static.theintercept.com/amp/sarkozy-gaddafi-libya-bombing.html …
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That is irrelevant. The revolution started because huge numbers of Libyans were willing to die to unseat Gaddafi. NATO just ensured fewer of them died.
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It does in the sense that... Not all the revolutionaries wins (Simba Rebellion or the Spanish Civil War or hell even the fascist in Italy without URSS and USA). Without the NATO/US I'm not sure the NTC would have won against the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
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They would not. But claiming it was a U.S. induced revolution was false: it was a rare case where we rightfully backed a genuine uprising against a monster.
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Ooooh ok..you are tight.What I meant (I think the op too) is, the reason of the intervention was "politically" motivated (and create a shit storm in the area and an energy crisis Italy). Also for once in that one I blame Sarkozy not the Obama administration: it was handled badly)
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