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    Иван Ткачев‏ @IvanTkachev1 Jul 15

    What is the most preferable and scientific way to distinguish between fake and authentic text? Language. @guardian has posted small extract from the Kremlin document presumed to be authentic. I have counted 4 linguistic errors and a couple of dubious instances of word usage. /1 https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1415612757815308289 …pic.twitter.com/S5QVMG4ovz

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      2. Иван Ткачев‏ @IvanTkachev1 Jul 15

        For example • a comma shouldn’t be used before ‘и может’ • ‘делегЕтимизация’ is spelled with an orthographic error • ‘провокация возникновения’ is not how native speakers say, even in bureaucratic language • ‘занимающих роль’ is a lexical mistake. /2

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      3. Иван Ткачев‏ @IvanTkachev1 Jul 15

        So, with a considerable degree of confidence I can assume this is either “Google-translated” text from foreign language to Russian or a text composed with help from an unschooled Russian speaker, or both. It would be interesting to look at other original “documents”. /3

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      4. Иван Ткачев‏ @IvanTkachev1 Jul 15

        A bit off-topic, in 2004 prominent Russian linguist Andrey Zaliznyak proved authenticity of Old East Slavic masterpiece ‘The Tale of Igor’s Campaign’ solely on the basis of language of the poem which is now considered a role model for linguistic verification of text authenticity.

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      2. Arnaud Dubien‏ @ArnaudDubien Jul 15
        Replying to @IvanTkachev1 @guardian

        Il y a longtemps que l'on ne peut plus accorder de crédit au Guardian sur la #Russie. Certains de ses journalistes ont trop de comptes à régler avec Moscou. Mais là, on passe de l'esprit de croisade, finalement assez répandu en Occident, à ce que le KGB aurait qualifié de "Deza".

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      3. Litvine Nicolas‏ @NicoLtvin Jul 15
        Replying to @ArnaudDubien @IvanTkachev1 @guardian

        Je trouve qu'il y a tout de même une grosse différence à entre Shaun Walker, qui était vraiment très bon, Andrew Roth, qui est intéressant aussi, et Luke Harding, qui semble oublier tout sens critique lorsqu'une source ou une rumeur vient alimenter ses idées préconçues.

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      1. Tess Deco‏ @TessDeco Jul 15
        Replying to @IvanTkachev1 @guardian

        Of course you have. 🙄🤥

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      2. Not Paul Revere‏ @Not_PaulRevere Jul 15
        Replying to @IvanTkachev1 @guardian

        So the Guardian, got duped into, believing a fraudulent. Documentya. Right, yes?

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      2. Andrew Kadel‏ @FrKadel Jul 15
        Replying to @IvanTkachev1 @emptywheel @guardian

        I know no Russian. Authentic texts in any language can have lexical or grammatical errors. What you're saying is that these are errors that Russians would not have made, even if careless, drunk, etc? +

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      3. Andrew Kadel‏ @FrKadel Jul 15
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        That would make sense. But, for instance, in the most certainly authentic letters of St. Paul in Greek,there are some wacko, even incomprehensible linguistic turns. It's part of the authenticity.(Ofc Greek wasn't fully his native language &these were informal,controversial texts)

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