Plus, there's a double standard of 'if women are single, it's because they rejected too many 'beta' males". "If men are single, it's because *they* were unfairly rejected." Um no. Why does no one tell single guys "you shouldn't have rejected so many beta females?"
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Wouldn't that be misandrist bollocks?
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Well, no because it's using victim status as a mark of honour (as so often nowadays). It's an especially toxic form of identity politics, mixed with entitlement.
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I agree on all points except likelihood of experiencing rejection. I wouldn't be surprised if the rates were approaching equal, but it seems reasonable to expect men are facing more experiences of rejection on average.
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yes, because they do more asking -- which, for most healthy people means they get more inured to rejection (it's a numbers game)
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I can't comment on the emotional bit, but it's hard to argue that there's not an asymmetry, no?
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There's a symmetry in what matters which is levels of happiness/unhappiness of those who are single.
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Yeah. And incels aren't just disappointed at being rejected. They aren't just lonely. They are sociopathic misogynists that want to rape and murder women and think they deserve it.
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It seems to be about wallowing in self-pity and not taking responsiblity for their own lives and failures. I would imagine the inflammatory rhetoric on Reddit etc is just that - rhetoric. Only a tiny minority restort to actual violence
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I think you're right. But frankly, even the way they talk online is deeply disturbing. I'm sure it's exaggerated, and that not many of them would actually be violent, but it's still incredibly concerning to see a community of people talking like that and feeding into each other.
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The ideas you discussed all make men look worse at dealing with life's challenges. How does that make them "misogynistic", I have to ask?
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I wish I had something to add here. The idea of Incels as a school of philosophy is so titillating but I can't see it. These are unpaired men, misogynists, angry at the world and occasionally committing violence. This is more criminal profiling than a philosophy.
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The problem is not quite equivalent for each sex. Far more men than women failed to reproduced.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/24/women-men-dna-human-gene-pool …
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However, how individual men and women react to celibacy may or may not not be that different. I’d guess that evolution has built in a stronger emotional response to that in men, given the higher risk of it happening. It’s just a guess though.
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Considering women on Tinder and other such sites routinely rate almost 80% of men as below average, the last statement might be true. Anyway, all of the statements are testable, but even if they're true, it doesn't give the incel community the moral right to act the way they do.
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Oh please! What a bunch of crock is this incel stuff. Ugh.
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I thought "losers" worked perfectly fine.
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I imagine women take disappointment in love harder than men, since they experience more negative emotion in general (as a population, not necessarily the case for any individual), according to personality psychologists. & men do more asking, so we desensitize a bit to rejection
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I agree with you 100% but "Men get better" isnt a strategy either - women will always compete for top % and disregard rest. It just is as it is. Best we can do is accept it as a society and reduce the stigma which was helpful during resource scarcity but is now unnecessary.
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Also im not religious but i think the fall of religion plays into this as well. Monastaries and nunneries specifically but also just religion broadly ameliorated this problem in the past.
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