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Indo-Brit 🇮🇳🇬🇧 Parsi. Dancer. Feminist, liberal, Trekkie. Subeditor of @AreoMagazine; host of Two for Tea https://soundcloud.com/user-761174326 

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    Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Apr 25

    Iona Italia Retweeted Liggi

    The whole incel philosophy is built on the (widespread) idea that men take disappointment in love harder than women, are less able to cope with loneliness & more likely to face rejection. All of which is whiny misogynist bollocks.https://twitter.com/Liggi/status/989073720760328192 …

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    Liggi @Liggi
    If you don't really know what 'incels' are, check out this subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears . It's basically cataloguing the bizarre and terrifying things they say / believe.
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      1. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Apr 25

        Plus, there's a double standard of 'if women are single, it's because they rejected too many 'beta' males". "If men are single, it's because *they* were unfairly rejected." Um no. Why does no one tell single guys "you shouldn't have rejected so many beta females?"

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      2. ibn Zakariya al-Razi‏ @ZakariyaAlRazi Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia

        Wouldn't that be misandrist bollocks?

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      3. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Apr 25
        Replying to @ZakariyaAlRazi

        Well, no because it's using victim status as a mark of honour (as so often nowadays). It's an especially toxic form of identity politics, mixed with entitlement.

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      2. Pike‏ @JDefiant9 Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia

        I agree on all points except likelihood of experiencing rejection. I wouldn't be surprised if the rates were approaching equal, but it seems reasonable to expect men are facing more experiences of rejection on average.

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      3. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Apr 25
        Replying to @JDefiant9

        yes, because they do more asking -- which, for most healthy people means they get more inured to rejection (it's a numbers game)

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      2. Leon Hewer‏ @LeonHewer Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia

        I can't comment on the emotional bit, but it's hard to argue that there's not an asymmetry, no?

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      3. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Apr 25
        Replying to @LeonHewer

        There's a symmetry in what matters which is levels of happiness/unhappiness of those who are single.

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      2. Liggi‏ @Liggi Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia

        Yeah. And incels aren't just disappointed at being rejected. They aren't just lonely. They are sociopathic misogynists that want to rape and murder women and think they deserve it.

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      3. Slow Cheetah  🐆‏ @Black_Kettle Apr 25
        Replying to @Liggi @IonaItalia

        It seems to be about wallowing in self-pity and not taking responsiblity for their own lives and failures. I would imagine the inflammatory rhetoric on Reddit etc is just that - rhetoric. Only a tiny minority restort to actual violence

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      4. Liggi‏ @Liggi Apr 25
        Replying to @Black_Kettle @IonaItalia

        I think you're right. But frankly, even the way they talk online is deeply disturbing. I'm sure it's exaggerated, and that not many of them would actually be violent, but it's still incredibly concerning to see a community of people talking like that and feeding into each other.

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      2. Gedankenschild‏ @Gedankenschild Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia @CathyYoung63

        The ideas you discussed all make men look worse at dealing with life's challenges. How does that make them "misogynistic", I have to ask?

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      3. Helvering Davis‏ @low_tex Apr 25
        Replying to @Gedankenschild @IonaItalia @CathyYoung63

        I wish I had something to add here. The idea of Incels as a school of philosophy is so titillating but I can't see it. These are unpaired men, misogynists, angry at the world and occasionally committing violence. This is more criminal profiling than a philosophy.

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      2. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia

        The problem is not quite equivalent for each sex. Far more men than women failed to reproduced.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/24/women-men-dna-human-gene-pool …

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      3. Ben‏ @BristolBen Apr 25
        Replying to @BristolBen @IonaItalia

        However, how individual men and women react to celibacy may or may not not be that different. I’d guess that evolution has built in a stronger emotional response to that in men, given the higher risk of it happening. It’s just a guess though.

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      1. Lightning_Shade‏ @LightningShade0 Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia

        Considering women on Tinder and other such sites routinely rate almost 80% of men as below average, the last statement might be true. Anyway, all of the statements are testable, but even if they're true, it doesn't give the incel community the moral right to act the way they do.

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      1. (((Dominique)))‏ @AbbakkaHypatia Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia

        Oh please! What a bunch of crock is this incel stuff. Ugh.

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      1. (((Colin Wight)))‏ @colwight Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia

        I thought "losers" worked perfectly fine.

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      1. Joe-st‏ @joe_r_Odonnell Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia @CathyYoung63

        I imagine women take disappointment in love harder than men, since they experience more negative emotion in general (as a population, not necessarily the case for any individual), according to personality psychologists. & men do more asking, so we desensitize a bit to rejection

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      2. Conspicuous Snek‏ @TheMule19 Apr 25
        Replying to @IonaItalia @CathyYoung63

        I agree with you 100% but "Men get better" isnt a strategy either - women will always compete for top % and disregard rest. It just is as it is. Best we can do is accept it as a society and reduce the stigma which was helpful during resource scarcity but is now unnecessary.

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      3. Conspicuous Snek‏ @TheMule19 Apr 25
        Replying to @TheMule19 @IonaItalia @CathyYoung63

        Also im not religious but i think the fall of religion plays into this as well. Monastaries and nunneries specifically but also just religion broadly ameliorated this problem in the past.

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