Take the 2p orbital, for example. The electron is in a superposition of 2px, 2py and 2pz. |ψ2p> = (|2px>+|2py>+|2pz>)/sqrt(3). Now take the pdf <ψ2p|ψ2p> and you'll see the dependence on the angles cancels out. It only depends on the distance to the nucleus.
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Replying to @wood_croft
That's just not true.. a superposition of the 2ps is a superposition of 3 dumbbells each of which has an angular dependence in an independent direction .. it *can* happen that you measure l=0, but it can also happen that you measure l=1
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Replying to @InertialObservr @wood_croft
That's what you would measure. But it is hard to imagine a free hydrogen atom being anisotropic...
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Replying to @freddy_x @wood_croft
why is it hard to imagine? .. the point is that the wave function has non-trivial angular dependence and so does the PDF .. i'm sorry if you're upset but it's just the eigensolutions to the schrodinger equation
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Replying to @InertialObservr @wood_croft
Not upset at all... But without external field, why would the proton and the electron align in a particular direction?
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Replying to @freddy_x @wood_croft
because energy eigenstates have trivial time evolution .. if you prepare the state in some Ψnlm , then you are simply just more likely to find it in certain places than another, that's like the whole thing .. and you don't even need very exotic states to acheive this at all
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Replying to @InertialObservr @wood_croft
The overwhelming majority of the hydrogen atoms in the universe have not been prepared and are spherically symmetric. No?
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that's just the statement that the ground state is spherically symmetric
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Replying to @InertialObservr @freddy_x
The other energy states are spherically symmetric too.
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No, only the (n,0,0) states.
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but if you dont know “what axis” the azimuthal angle is measured from your 2p orbital would be in a mixed state which is spherically symmetric, youd need a state preparation or external field which picks the basis for the l=1 harmonics to be in a pure state?
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it has nothing to do with knowing .. the conversation is about pure states and quantum uncertainty , not classical uncertainty .. we say we prepare the atom in a particular state (n,l,m) .. is it spherically symmetric
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