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〈 Berger | Dillon 〉
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    〈 Berger | Dillon 〉‏ @InertialObservr 10 Mar 2019
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    Is physics axiomatic? I say yes, but we don’t get to choose the axioms. Nature, through experiment, does that for us.

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      2. یاور حسین‏ @shitFarm 10 Mar 2019
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        One can't say that physics is axiomatic without having an elementary set of laws or rules that serve as axioms. Makes me think that physics isn't axiomatic but parts of it like QFT or ED are. It's like a collection of separate axiomatic domains which may or may not be unifiable.

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      3. 〈 Berger | Dillon 〉‏ @InertialObservr 10 Mar 2019
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        That elementary set of laws or rules that we take at face value I would call "physical axioms", if I may coin such a term. They are inductive observations which we take as true in order to make deductions therefrom. Determining these "physical axioms" is done through observation.

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      2. Ibrahim - ابراهيم‏ @abechahrour 10 Mar 2019
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        Nature reveals its axioms through experiment, but it can't choose them. The natural question remains: why these axioms and not other ones?

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      3. 〈 Berger | Dillon 〉‏ @InertialObservr 10 Mar 2019
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        I agree that’s a relevant and deep question.. I think that’s a question, while extremely important, we’re not currently in the position to answer in any meaningful sense

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      2. Eric Copenhaver‏ @ecopenhaver 10 Mar 2019
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        Ooooooh. Hot take. Maybe I disagree. From what Nature shows us, we can only inductively conclude the axioms. Then again, any axiom is just a sort self-evidently true, unobjectionable statement. In that case, we don't really need Nature to tell us much. What a think piece

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      3. 〈 Berger | Dillon 〉‏ @InertialObservr 10 Mar 2019
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        I suppose I just meant that any theory we could possibly come up with must rest upon assumptions (axioms) which are physically motivated, and there is no way to determine these a priori. We can only use facilitate this choice.

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      1. 𝕋𝕎𝕀𝕊𝕋𝕆ℝ «重力の影» (Céleste ME Hogan)‏ @twistor 10 Mar 2019
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        What about things like Haag's Theorem?

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      1. Matt McIrvin‏ @mattmcirvin 11 Mar 2019
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        I think that whether real axioms for the actual universe exist is an open question. A given theory has axioms. The world has behavior, which *seems* to exhibit strong consistencies. That's about as much as we can say.

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      1. Herb da Hegelian‏ @HerbertHitchens 11 Mar 2019
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        Humans are still the one choosing the axioms because we are the one interpreting the result of the experiment. Axioms are just propositions, unassailable by a truth assignment. Humans make propositions, not nature.

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