Another good question. An observable is simply a dynamical value that one can measure (e.g. momentum, position, spin, angular momentum etc.). These are represented by hermitian operators because that enforces that the eigenvalues (what we measure) always be real
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Replying to @InertialObservr @HerbertHitchens
And an "observer" in QM is nothing spooky. At the end of the day it means to measure an observable. So a really tiny slit that confines a photon to a small region of space can be said to have measured its location
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Replying to @InertialObservr
Understood. Does it have anything to do with consciousness affecting the result ?
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Replying to @HerbertHitchens
No, that's a common misconception. People just tend to associate the word "observation" with consciousness, but for all intents and purposes "observation" is simply an interaction with the system. *That* is what causes wave function collapse.
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Replying to @InertialObservr
Thanks. Apparently when I say this to some, they tend to say I’m wrong. I even have a fellow physics major who thinks that wave function collapse has to do with “observation” in the sense of consciousness. He’s too smug for me to correct tho.
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Replying to @HerbertHitchens
Ask him to point to where in the equations the "consciousness variable" is that accounts for this.. when he can't ask him how he can say it's a part of the mathematical model
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Replying to @InertialObservr @HerbertHitchens
Great point, but I see both sides and to rule out consciousness playing a role definitevely would be claiming you've resolved the many conflicting but valid interpretations of quantum mechanics. Ie. The Von Neumann-Wigner interpretation posits a need for consciousness.
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Also there is and probably never will be a "consciousness" variable despite the fact that we experience it permanently. It's likely a complex emergent phenomena arising from the actions of trillions of more simple information processing units and the particles theyre made of.
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Replying to @Deepneuron @HerbertHitchens
The term emergence is a cop out. Temperature comes from jostling around of molecules. We have models for this and simulations that take us from the microscopic to macroscopic. Therefore just because it’s emergent doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be able to describe that emergence.
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And no ruling out consciousness does not resolve many conflicting interpretations. Accounting for the finite speed of light and posing the question properly resolves the “Wigner’s Friend” paradox, which is the *only* interpretation that uses consciousness , not one of “many”.
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Information theory perhaps answers the “Wigner’s Friend” paradox best
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Replying to @InertialObservr @HerbertHitchens
Emergent phenomena isn't a cop out. It's an honest answer in a situation where one observes an effect and has little to no understanding of the underlying mechanisms and their relationship to said effect.Type II superconductors are a good example,but a more simple one is traffic.
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Knowing the mechanics of how brake fluid works will tell you nothing in predicting traffic conditions (an emergent property of many brake fluids, subsystems *and actors*). Even the work schedules of every person in the city that drives is an emergent phenomena of complex
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