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Here, Dr Jack Turban joins the GenderGP podcast in a 43 minute long episode to explore “the notion of detransition.” I'd like to explore some of the things he said myself, in this thread: 1/xhttps://www.gendergp.com/exploring-detransition-with-dr-jack-turban/ …
At 02:06 he calls detransition as “a really awful word” because “90% of the time you read it, it's being weaponised.” He says that when you say “detransition,” people think you mean transition regret, which Dr Turban has a problem with This'll be a theme throughout podcast 2/x
At 02:30 Turban says detransitioners (like me) who realize that they've made a huge mistake and who regret having undergone gender affirmative transition are “not the reality.” He says “most of the time [detransition] probably doesn't mean they regret having transitioned.” 3/x
He rightly states “detransition doesn't mean one thing.” Some detransition due to a lack of acceptance. Some detransition due to health concerns – but many of us also detransition due to transition regret. Yet, Turban spends this entire podcast trying to pretend otherwise. 4/x
At 05:50 Dr Turban brings up the 2015 US trans survey (USTS), an anonymous online survey of trans adults in the US. This, he says, proves that most people who detransition don't do so due to regret. 5/x
Except, the USTS was a survey for *trans* people, not detrans people. Those who responded would only report temporary detransition because they identify as trans at the time of responding. A survey on trans people won't be taken by detrans people because we're not trans. 6/x
At 10:30 Dr Turban claims that trans exclusionary radical feminists and the like can cause trans people to internalize their transphobia and, thus, cause them to detransition – which he compares to gay conversion therapy. 7/x
At 33:57 he says “psychiatrists don't treat gender dysphoria,” again comparing doing so to conversion therapy. He says psychiatrists help with other mental health issues (anxiety, depression etc). He says dysphoria is treated with medicine, not talk therapy. 8/x
I have to say @jack_turban that for myself and the many other detransitioners I've spoken to who did experience regret, I wish my psychiatrist had treated my gender dysphoria. I wish my other issues had been addressed. I wish I'd been given therapy instead of hormones.
9/x
It's painfully evident from what you've said that you don't care about the wrong kinds of detransitoners – those of us who experienced transition regret - because you spend every opportunity you get trying to pretend we don't exist. Frankly, you're a disgrace to medicine. 10/10
To add: I didn't even scratch the surface of the utter nonsense that was spouted in this podcast, because this thread would be massive if I tried. Go listen for yourselves, if you can stomach it. Though my fellow detrans folk may have a hard time tolerating Turbans mental BS.
A psychiatrist in the gender service said to me that they don't use that word because "transition is a process, there's no defined point" which I thought was odd - now I see he must have been trained into seeing it as a not OK word.
It was in the context of me suggesting waiting to transition might have benefits; that I'd heard of girls detransitioning during lockdown away from social pressures. I was confused by his answer.
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