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    1. Mechanical Monk‏ @mechanicalmonk1 Feb 11
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      Dead serious Go look at the group photo from LWCW 2019 Count the number of plush toys Yes, plush toys Yes, in the official group photo No, these are adults The significant difference between LW and Chapman is not about empirical beliefs https://www.facebook.com/events/510332516175832/ …

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    2. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 11
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      Yeah, I think it's a vibe or "cognitive style" thing. Rationalists seem characterized in large part by "autistic" style incredible sensitivity to their own imaginations, hence urgency to save the world, obsession with ex risk, and need for careful thinking / safety.

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    3. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl Feb 11
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      Replying to @msutherl @mechanicalmonk1 and

      Post-rats have a more 'dissociated' vibe in my experience, or otherwise more likely to be further along the spiritual path.

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    4. Putanumonit Jacob‏ @yashkaf Feb 11
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      Replying to @msutherl @mechanicalmonk1 and

      Why is this dissociated vibe a sign of development? I don't think I'm capable of taking ideas as seriously as Eliezer does, of keeping the same single-minded focus, of changing my life and habits by the force of pure reason. But I consider this a weakness, not a sign of progress.

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    5. Naryan‏ @HiNaryan Feb 12
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      Replying to @yashkaf @msutherl and

      Really enjoyed the banter up to this point, room for one more? It feels easy to stereotype rats & post-rats when we point at the nebulous/abstract 'concept' of a rat/post-rat (concepts which vary from person to person).

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    6. Naryan‏ @HiNaryan Feb 12
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      Replying to @HiNaryan @yashkaf and

      I think about the rat vs post-rat distinction from an Adult Development Theory perspective. Don't all meta-systematic thinkers emerge from a systematic stage?

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    7. Naryan‏ @HiNaryan Feb 12
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      Replying to @HiNaryan @yashkaf and

      Learning the rationality toolkit seriously up-leveled how I interacted with the world. I became way better at reducing & working with uncertainty, building accurate beliefs, & intentionally acquiring new skills/habits. Then I started to hit limitations...

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    8. Naryan‏ @HiNaryan Feb 12
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      Replying to @HiNaryan @yashkaf and

      Rationality didn't help reconcile my ethics with the different ethics of my friends. It didn't have language to describe We-spaces. It kind of got in the way of certain meditative paths. The only tool that seemed to help was to 'zoom out' and use rationality on the meta-level.

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    9. Naryan‏ @HiNaryan Feb 12
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      Replying to @HiNaryan @yashkaf and

      For me, describing the difference between rats & post-rats is akin to describing elementary students & high-schoolers. Traditional thinkers vs modern thinkers. I'm not sure rats are deciding not to become post rats, that growth seems to happen naturally in certain contexts.

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    10. Conor Barnes‏ @Ideopunk Feb 12
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      Replying to @HiNaryan @yashkaf and

      This brings me back to my recurring issue: I don't see why more expansive practices for introspection aren't necessarily rational, so I don't currently see the point of the distinction. My suspicion is that it's mostly semantics...

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      Conor Barnes‏ @Ideopunk Feb 12
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      Replying to @Ideopunk @HiNaryan and

      ... but because it's been framed as intertribal conflict it seems like a bigger deal than it is. Which is a shame, because if there are tools and practices that come from the "other side," you make it harder for yourself to accept them...

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        2. Conor Barnes‏ @Ideopunk Feb 12
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          Replying to @Ideopunk @HiNaryan and

          ...In particular, I think the language of 'levels' doesn't help. Telling me you have a new technique or outlook intrigues me, telling me that me or my group is a lower level of intelligence or emotional development is going to lose any sympathy I have! Politics, mind-killer, etc.

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        3. Conor Barnes‏ @Ideopunk Feb 12
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          Replying to @Ideopunk @HiNaryan and

          Not you specifically, just thinking in public. Odd tho because you'd think the high-level enlightened people would be the best at not condescending! 😮 Anyway, I'd prefer if we had mostly "how does this work? Could it be better than what we used?" and little "outgroup stinks!"

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