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    John Carmack‏Verified account @ID_AA_Carmack 22 Jun 2016

    John Carmack Retweeted Andrey Karpov

    I take the contrary position -- aggressive use of a debugger gives you insight you won't get by mere inspection.https://twitter.com/Code_Analysis/status/745542120379809792 …

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    Andrey Karpov @Code_Analysis
    I do not use a debugger http://lemire.me/blog/2016/06/21/i-do-not-use-a-debugger/ …
    8:22 AM - 22 Jun 2016
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    34 replies 199 retweets 451 likes
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      2. Fiora/フィオーラ @ Photoshoot Hell‏ @FioraAeterna 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

        the real debugging technique is you find the people who brag about never using debuggers, and don't work with them

        1 reply 20 retweets 101 likes
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      2. Per Vognsen‏ @pervognsen 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

        That article is a very weak argument against debuggers and I was disappointed to see it getting a lot of thumbs up.

        4 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
      3. Jussi Knuuttila‏ @AstraFIN 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @pervognsen @ID_AA_Carmack

        I think a debugger allows you to explore the problem, which is very valuable if you have no idea what happened.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Per Vognsen‏ @pervognsen 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @AstraFIN @ID_AA_Carmack

        A debugger is not just for fixing problems, it's for confirming your understanding even when there are no bugs.

        12 replies 57 retweets 139 likes
      5. Bruce Hoult‏ @BruceHoult 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @pervognsen @AstraFIN @ID_AA_Carmack

        disagree. If you want to confirm your understanding, add an assert() describing your understanding.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Per Vognsen‏ @pervognsen 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @BruceHoult @AstraFIN @ID_AA_Carmack

        I use asserts liberally. And when an assert fails, I use the debugger to inspect the state. :)

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      7. Bruce Hoult‏ @BruceHoult 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @pervognsen @AstraFIN @ID_AA_Carmack

        I use printfs to inspect the state, and the power of the PC to use Perl, grep, sort, uniq to analyze.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Rick‏ @gibbed 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @BruceHoult @pervognsen and

        Calling printf modifies that state though, which can be bad.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Bruce Hoult‏ @BruceHoult 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @gibbed @pervognsen and

        only if you’re chasing a code generation bug. I’m usually more worried about impacting timing.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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      1. Andrew Sampson‏Verified account @Andrewmd5 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

        You'll never be able to see the full picture solely through code inspection, it seems counter productive to not use one.

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      2. Morten Skaaning‏ @morten_skaaning 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

        navigation by printf requires fast compile + reload times. Databreakpoints are awesome

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      1. Michael‏ @MikeDickheiser 24 Jun 2016
        Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

        @Code_Analysis Debugging isn't just inspection. It's dialog with the machine. Change instruction ptr, e.g, is very powerful.

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      1. Alberto Demichelis‏ @squirrellang 22 Jun 2016
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        not using a debugger when available, is like plowing a field with bare hands with a tractor parked in front of you.

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      1. Bram Stolk‏ @BramStolk 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

        @Code_Analysis Channel your inner Ken Thompson, John! http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1941206 …

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      1. Mythruna‏ @MythrunaGame 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

        At low-level: essential, for some devs: more useful than harmful, for a wide swath: totally nerfs their ability to read code.

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      1. today is 2016-12-643‏ @atax1a 22 Jun 2016
        Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

        100% agreed with you. Programmers who don't use debuggers are forsaking a valuable tool @gravislizard @Code_Analysis

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