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    1. Hide Not Slide‏ @HideNotSlide Apr 19
      Replying to @NeckarValue @MarcRuby @HorizonKinetics

      This has to be Virtu Financial for me. Their volatile results & lack of public comps make them hard to value, but huge retail demand has boosted their wholesale biz & they're expanding into new markets like options. We could see $5 EPS and a $40 stock this year. cc @Dougielarge

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    2. Frederik‏ @NeckarValue Apr 19
      Replying to @HideNotSlide @MarcRuby and

      Followed! Does this business have blow-up risk? If I remember correctly, they bought Knight Capital's market maker business which blew up in 2012?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Hide Not Slide‏ @HideNotSlide Apr 19
      Replying to @NeckarValue @MarcRuby and

      There is indeed blow-up risk, but I put the odds of an extreme event like that happening again at very low. Part of the DD process for companies like this is asking the question "how well do I trust management to prioritize operational excellence given the potential risks?"

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Hide Not Slide‏ @HideNotSlide Apr 19
      Replying to @HideNotSlide @NeckarValue and

      Some background info on the KCG glitch & operational risks of exchanges below:pic.twitter.com/mQ4KEbep9V

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    5. Hide Not Slide‏ @HideNotSlide Apr 19
      Replying to @HideNotSlide @NeckarValue and

      Virtu bought KCG in 2017, a few years after the trading glitch. The strategy behind the deal was to expand their presence in ETF market making, which was (rightly) seen as a growth space worth investing in.

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    6. Frederik‏ @NeckarValue Apr 19
      Replying to @HideNotSlide @MarcRuby and

      Interesting. Looking forward to your $VIRT write-up..👀 So which of the companies is your long-term favorite and why?

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    7. Hide Not Slide‏ @HideNotSlide Apr 19
      Replying to @NeckarValue @MarcRuby and

      Bringing it back full circle, today my largest exchange holding is $ICE. I think the market is undervaluing their massive energy business and I like the Ellie Mae deal provided they can continue to execute. Valuation is not too excessive either at 25x this years earnings.

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    8. Frederik‏ @NeckarValue Apr 19
      Replying to @HideNotSlide @MarcRuby and

      Can any of these companies serve as a volatility hedge? I thought it would be $CBOE but the "home of the VIX" is still below its 2020 high. What's going on there?

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    9. Hide Not Slide‏ @HideNotSlide Apr 19
      Replying to @NeckarValue @MarcRuby and

      CBOE's volatility products make it a unique exchange. In a way, CBOE is counter-counter-cyclical - VIX futures & SPX options see more interest when volatility is LOW, not high. 2020 vol ended up doing more damage than good for them, but this year things are starting to recover.

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    10. Hide Not Slide‏ @HideNotSlide Apr 19
      Replying to @HideNotSlide @NeckarValue and

      I used to own CBOE but sold after revisiting their investments in Europe. They're spending a lot of money to try and disrupt pan-European derivatives, a historically fragmented & entrenched field. I'm not willing to wait around & find out if their investments will pay off.

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      Hide Not Slide‏ @HideNotSlide Apr 19
      Replying to @HideNotSlide @NeckarValue and

      European market structure is hard to disrupt because there are multiple clearinghouses for the same underlying product, whereas in the US there's only one. The below chart shows just how dispersed the plumbing is - good luck to CBOE for cleaning this up!pic.twitter.com/tSWxBF1grI

      2:40 PM - 19 Apr 2021
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        2. Frederik‏ @NeckarValue Apr 19
          Replying to @HideNotSlide @MarcRuby and

          Fragmented, huh?pic.twitter.com/RRxk53t8Hn

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        3. Frederik‏ @NeckarValue Apr 19
          Replying to @NeckarValue @HideNotSlide and

          What is the risk of exchanges getting disrupted either by technology or new competitors? Are there any startups whose IPO you're anticipating?

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