One nugget in this podcast is that everyone at Commentary mistakenly thinks John Barth is dead. In fact, Barth is still around and publishing as recently as three years ago.
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It's important for center, left & far left to listen to conservatives (that aren't Trumpists). If not just for cognitive dissonance but to understand where many in our country are coming from. I admit that Podhoretz doesn't seem like a nice person & talks over the others though.
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I actually prefer dealing with Trumpist conservatives.
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