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    1. b-boy bouiebaisse‏Verified account @jbouie 11 May 2018

      b-boy bouiebaisse Retweeted Bari Weiss

      1) I wish folks who describe themselves as "classical liberals" would sketch out any real distinction with "21st century American conservatives" 2) Even accepting the premise, the person who gets so mad at being labeled "alt-right" that they become a racist was already a racist.https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/995007152468250626 …

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      Bari WeissVerified account @bariweiss
      Replying to @bariweiss @nhannahjones @nytimes
      Second: When conservatives, classical liberals or libertarians are told by the progressive chattering class that they--or those they read--are alt-right, the very common response is to say: Screw it. They think everyone is alt-right. And then those people move further right.
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    2. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 11 May 2018
      Replying to @jbouie

      Also a lot of actual historical "classical liberals" were, in fact, racists: Locke, Jefferson, etc.

      7 replies 14 retweets 195 likes
    3. Brandon Beasley  🇺🇦‏ @bebeasley 11 May 2018
      Replying to @HeerJeet @jbouie

      Well, so were a lot of historical social liberals, socialists, and communists, so, I'm not sure how relevant that is. (But Bouie's point stands.)

      2 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
    4. b-boy bouiebaisse‏Verified account @jbouie 11 May 2018
      Replying to @bebeasley @HeerJeet

      i mean the point is that racism is a product of the Enlightenment and that it can’t actually be disentangled from liberalism’s origins, or if it can be, you have to fundamentally rethink what liberalism is

      4 replies 5 retweets 72 likes
    5. Brandon Beasley  🇺🇦‏ @bebeasley 11 May 2018
      Replying to @jbouie @HeerJeet

      I'm not sure racism can be disentangled from liberalisms *origins* but I think it can be disentangled from liberal ideas; and I think that work has been done, and is still ongoing, in the social liberal tradition that opposes classical and neoclassical liberalism.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 11 May 2018
      Replying to @bebeasley @jbouie

      Sure, but we're talking about people who call themselves classical liberals (now, in 2018) so it's worth asking them why since they likely don't believe in many things historical classical liberals did.

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        1. harpist marxist‏ @joshbuermann 11 May 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @bebeasley @jbouie

          Pretty weird for a bunch of techno-futurist utopians to attach themselves to the political philosophy of a laughing stock techno-cynic like Thomas Malthus.

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        2. Brandon Beasley  🇺🇦‏ @bebeasley 11 May 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @jbouie

          I see! I was confused by Bouie's ref to "origins" but now I see why, since classical liberals were, after all, at the origin! Tho I think it matters less that we point to specific racist ppl (since there were racists all over) & focus more on the racism implicated in the views.

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        3. Brandon Beasley  🇺🇦‏ @bebeasley 11 May 2018
          Replying to @bebeasley @HeerJeet @jbouie

          I think that was the substance of my response to you, which I guess I only saw through a glass darkly at the time.

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        2. @reiver ⊼ (Charles Iliya Krempeaux)‏ @reiver 12 May 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @bebeasley @jbouie

          My understand is that some are calling themselves "classical liberals" (rather than just "liberals") to separate & distance themselves from progressives, socialists, and other leftists (who they consider illiberal) who (they feel) are (inaccurately) self-identifying as "liberals"

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        3. @reiver ⊼ (Charles Iliya Krempeaux)‏ @reiver 12 May 2018
          Replying to @reiver @HeerJeet and

          A little under a decade ago, there were many who self-identified as libertarians who wanted to "take back" the label "liberal" from those leftists, in the U.S. and Canada, who they felt were (illiberal and thus) inaccurately self-identifying as "liberal".

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