But it totally has been about our misogynistic culture, and that's totally correct. As I see it, the "maybe there's actually a problem with sexual/romantic dissatisfaction" position is mostly driven by a hunch that non-patriarchal sexual morality is macro-unstable.
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Replying to @willwilkinson @stevenmklein and
If you've already got that hunch, you see incel terrorism as a datapoint in your favor, and see toxic misogynistic entitlement as a complementary rather than a competing explanation.
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Replying to @willwilkinson @stevenmklein and
Yeah, but WIll, again here's the tendency to analogize the political to theoretico-scientific practice of some kind. It's not a hunch and a theory, it's a political situation.
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Replying to @lionel_trolling @willwilkinson and
Douthat, not a liberal by his own admission, can seize on this as benefitting his politics, and has, let's be honest about it.
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Replying to @lionel_trolling @stevenmklein and
Sure. But what's so wrong about that? Folks who think that, say, capitalism has bad consequences tend to jump on the right sort of bad things happening as partial confirmation. I can't say "actually, you hack, it's caused by something else," without begging the deeper question.
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Replying to @willwilkinson @lionel_trolling and
BTW, I don't think we differ much on the first-order question about the roots of incel terror. We're differing on the meta-debate about whether there's something insidious about people who disagree with our assumptions about the first-order question.
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Replying to @willwilkinson @lionel_trolling and
Sure, I think that's largely right. I have a much larger issue with Hanson because of how his argument about redistributing sex implicitly relates to his discussion of the harm of ahem "mild rape." Perhaps unfair to read them together, but he just defended both. He and to a
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Replying to @stevenmklein @willwilkinson and
a (somewhat) lesser extent Douthat seem completely focused on how all these changes affect men. So it's not just that I have a competing explanation but that I think their explanation fails to account for the perspective of those subject to misogynistic violence
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Replying to @stevenmklein @lionel_trolling and
I dislike Robin's right-insensitive consequentialist mode of analysis, which amplifies white guy economist blind spots about structural power relations. But he's also among the most intellectually honest, truth-motivated people I've ever met.
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I also don't know many people less responsive to shaming and less resistant to intellectual correction. So the thought-crime-shaming reaction, has been frustrating. It's imperative to be clear about why he's asking the wrong question, but the question shouldn't be taboo.
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You know who else wasn't responsive to shaming and was resistant to intellectual correction?
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