You only have to spend 45 seconds reading incel websites to realize issue here isn't that these guys aren't getting laid. It's that they want deference and subservience from women, often to the point of wanting a right to be abusive. We can't negotiate with those demandshttps://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/989535565895864320 …
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They basically want Gilead, with all of them having Econowives, as they are unlikely to be the Commanders.
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Unfortunately, they seem to have attributes of the Painballers from the MaddAddam trilogy, albeit without having gone through Painball.
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Nailed it
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I really wish I hadn't. I don't want to live in Gilead or the land from MaddAddam.
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How about looking for strategies to help these people instead of calling people losers who think of themselves as losers thus no longer have a stake in upholding the values of society. The same self destructive cycle happens with others at the bottom of society.
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I mean, this is a community who broke off from the "pick-up artist" community because they were angry it didn't work the way they wanted
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I don’t think PUA were the right help anyways. Coming out of that unsuccessful would leave inexperienced men indoctrinated into a cynical view of women and courtship. The helping community should be the ones preaching social justice and empathy if they could see past identity.
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my point is precisely that they start from a deeply misogynist worldview
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Yes they do. The identity scapegoating is source of cynicism so we can’t go to those who promote resentment of men as a default posture on all matters of gender or their male favoring PUA equivalents. Breaking the cycle means helping them see both factions feed on their misery.
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I have no idea what this program is in practice.
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In practice there is plenty of routine counseling that doesn’t blame either sex for the problems of the other. We should see the adversarial approach to gender relations as apart of the problem and not the primary solution. Sex shouldn’t just be about a persons sex today anyway.
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Well fine, if you insist.
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