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    1. Tom Nichols‏Verified account @RadioFreeTom 26 Feb 2018

      Tom Nichols Retweeted Will Hoffman

      I was a young conservative during the Reagan years in college and grad school; I was routinely called a Nazi and a fascist and other names because I, like, voted for Reagan and read NR. So spare me your hurt feelings about how "liberal" became a term of derision.https://twitter.com/jwilliamhoffman/status/968241920186179584 …

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      Will Hoffman @jwilliamhoffman
      Replying to @RadioFreeTom
      Well, running around making liberal a dirty word is not a good way to make friends in the loyal opposition. #thanksReagan
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    2. Tom Nichols‏Verified account @RadioFreeTom 26 Feb 2018
      Replying to @gmukunda @jonathanchait @HeerJeet

      The test of your theory is what happens after 1991. I suppose we both remember the flood of sadness and many articles deploring the collapse of apartheid, right? That didn't happen. So what changed? Hint: you're on the wrong variable

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    3. Jonathan Chait‏Verified account @jonathanchait 26 Feb 2018
      Replying to @RadioFreeTom @gmukunda @HeerJeet

      The test is right there in the text of Buckley's own logic: did he support SA because of the Cold war or because whites deserved to rule? Buckley could have chosen argument A. He chose B. No need for indirect extrapolation.

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    4. Tom Nichols‏Verified account @RadioFreeTom 26 Feb 2018
      Replying to @jonathanchait @gmukunda @HeerJeet

      Except no one was going to get out there and make the nakedly brutal case that SA blacks had to suffer for the Cold War. We didn't try that with Central America or the Greek colonels, either. because they'd have been crucified even *more* for such cynicism.

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    5. Tom Nichols‏Verified account @RadioFreeTom 26 Feb 2018
      Replying to @RadioFreeTom @jonathanchait and

      You seem to be arguing that Cold War conservatives should have been right up front about their brutal school of realism; none of them were. It was not the language of Cold War debate. About the Philippines, or Taiwan, or ROK, or anywhere. We lauded them all.

      4 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    6. Jonathan Chait‏Verified account @jonathanchait 26 Feb 2018
      Replying to @RadioFreeTom @gmukunda @HeerJeet

      Being upfront about the brutality of governments we nonetheless needed to support was the entire premise of Kirkpatrick's "Dictatorships and Double Standards," to take one famous example http://reagan.convio.net/site/DocServer/ReaganMoments-Dictatorships_and_Double_Standards_-_Jeane.pdf?docID=1823 …

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    7. Tom Nichols‏Verified account @RadioFreeTom 26 Feb 2018
      Replying to @jonathanchait @gmukunda @HeerJeet

      I mentioned that in this thread earlier. And Kirkpatrick (whom I knew back in the 80s) was caricatured by the left as a morally defective gargoyle for writing it, and the argument was dismissed as disingenuous anyway. (Except by Reagan.)

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    8. Jonathan Chait‏Verified account @jonathanchait 26 Feb 2018
      Replying to @RadioFreeTom @gmukunda @HeerJeet

      For the purposes of our discussion, isn't the relevant point that she granted the unattractiveness of right-wing authoritarian governments, rather than endorsing them like Buckley did S.A.?

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 26 Feb 2018
      Replying to @jonathanchait @RadioFreeTom @gmukunda

      Cold War liberals thought USA sometimes had to temporarily support authoritarians as necessary evil. Old Right (Buckley, James Burnham, Bozell) saw authoritarian regimes as having virtues absent in democracies.

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        2. Tom Nichols‏Verified account @RadioFreeTom 26 Feb 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @jonathanchait @gmukunda

          I think that's a fair point. I'd still say that's different from barely-covert racism, and Kirkpatrick's piece was written from the safety of academia (and proves the truth-telling power of tenure, imo). And as @WindsorMann said, Buckley did criticize apartheid. /1

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        3. Tom Nichols‏Verified account @RadioFreeTom 26 Feb 2018
          Replying to @RadioFreeTom @HeerJeet and

          But I remember the 80s as an in-the-trenches time in Cold War intra-US politics. Kirkpatrick's piece was 1979, when Carter was fumbling his way out, and I still can't see someone in '85 saying "Yeah, SA is awful, but they're our kind of awful."

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        1. David Lowe‏ @ChukkerNational 26 Feb 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @jonathanchait and

          Not so much difference in practice. Both sides supported Franco until he fell over.

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        1. “Do I want to enter this non-normal world?”‏ @tercets 26 Feb 2018
          Replying to @HeerJeet @jonathanchait and

          A consensus the geopolitical fallout from which we all get to deal with forever.

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