@HeerJeet So I did finally pick up the end of Cerebus out of sheer completionism. God it’s depressing. Like watching an act of autovandalism.
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Replying to @normative @HeerJeet
The Dave-Sim-rewrites-the-Bible would embarass any sane man
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Replying to @thefuzzybastard @HeerJeet
The saving grace of Reads was that you could basically just skip the sophomoric misogyny manifesto, which had not yet started to utterly dominate the core story. But that was already pretty goddamn embarrassing.
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Replying to @normative @thefuzzybastard
One way to read Cerebus is to see Sim the Artist and Sim the Polemicist in perpetual battle, with the Artist dominating first half & the Polemicist the second half.
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Replying to @HeerJeet @thefuzzybastard
Hm. His sensibility in the first half always struck me as more satirical than polemical. And Cirinists notwithstanding, I don’t think the first half really reads anti-feminist on the whole if you don’t know where he ends up.
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Put another way, I don’t think Sim was suppressing his later repellent views in the early stuff. Rather, he seems to have had a radical change in worldview — to the point where he felt compelled to retcon the rather feminist creation story we get at the end Church & State.
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Replying to @normative @thefuzzybastard
Way I'd frame it is: Sim war pro-feminist till Reads but work wasn't promoting feminism, it was about world building. With Reads he becomes anti-feminist and tries to make that explicit message, to determent of narrative & world building.
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Replying to @HeerJeet @thefuzzybastard
It wasn’t heavy handed, but I think I could find plenty of stuff you could reasonably characterize as having a feminist subtext. The Judge’s creation story is the most overt.
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Cerebus’ dialogue with (and rape of) Astoria in the dungeon from Church & State. Astoria’s basically doing an extended critique of patriatchy, and everything about Cerebus’ responses is pretty clearly meant to establish to the reader that she’s essentially correct.
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I have to re-read all that. I do think Cerebus from High Society to Melmoth is very strong.
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Jaka's Story is criminally underrated and features some of the series' most beautiful art. IMHO.
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Is it? (Underrated, that is?) I guess it lacks the flash of High Society or Church & State but I think it’s well regarded.
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