3. Argument started here http://harpers.org/archive/1967/03/a-very-stern-discipline/ … (Harper's March 1967) and continued May, July & Sept. issues.
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4. Gist of argument: Ellison said some Commentary writers making segregationists arguments, Podhoretz demanded apology, Ellison says no.
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5. One key part of argument is interpretation of Podhoretz's "My Negro Problem -- and Ours." https://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/my-negro-problem-and-ours/ …
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6. Podhoretz's contention is that "My Negro Problem" is a radical, anti-racist piece of writing.
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7. In "My Negro Problem" argues anti-black racism is so deep seated in whites only solution is eradication of blackness by miscegenation
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8. Ellison's response is partially practical (we've had miscegenation for centuries & it only increases shades in racist society).
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9. But more philosophically, Ellison insists that wanting to eradicate blackness in not anti-racist but a deeper form of segregation.
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10. Podhoretz position is that racism comes from the simple existence of difference, rather than the hatred of difference.
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11. A moments reflection should show why Ellison is right: you wouldn't try to eradicate anti-Semitism by encouraging all Jews to convert.
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12. One interesting thing is that Podhoretz positions himself as a liberal -- i.e. "how dare you call me segregationist, I'm a liberal!"
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13. But Ellison clearly understood Commentary better than Podhoretz, magazine's editor did. Even in 1967, drift to right is there.
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14. Lots of people in 1967 still thought Podhoretz was a liberal (including Podhoretz himself). But Ellison noticed a drift.
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15. The other person who questioned Podhoretz's putative liberalism in 1960s was critics Wilfred Sheed.
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