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    1. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative Apr 17

      Julian Sanchez Retweeted Michael Shermer

      What a weird assertion. The gospels tell a story. They offer no evidence to examine, nor frankly could they at this remove, even if the story had been true.https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/1515868149597495296 …

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      Michael ShermerVerified account @michaelshermer
      "Whatever else Christianity is, it is an assertion of historic fact. The New Testament invites us to examine the evidence. Its claim of a bodily resurrection was as...impossible when it was first made 2,000 years ago as it is now." And just as improbable. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/17/opinion/easter-resurrection-jesus.html?smid=tw-share …
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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Apr 17
      Replying to @normative

      They had no concept of "historic fact" when the Gospels were composed. They did have a concept of truth, but that was different than what we have.

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        2. Mark Perkins‏ @mporterperkins Apr 17
          Replying to @HeerJeet @normative

          Well, sure, but if we soften that to mean "thing that happened," then, yes, they had that category, and, yes, the various NT writers (in different ways) assume that the Resurrection was a thing that happened.

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        3. Mark Perkins‏ @mporterperkins Apr 17
          Replying to @mporterperkins @HeerJeet @normative

          And, of course, there's the question of what counts as "evidence." I'm guessing @normative is working from a definition of "evidence" far more anachronistic than the phrase "historical fact"?

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        1. charles garrett‏ @garrett_charles Apr 17
          Replying to @HeerJeet @normative

          also Christianity isn't Islam, (Islam is certainty, Christianity is belief) Doubt is central to the religion, the need to measure it against the yardstick & scales is blasphemy Credo quia absurdum

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        1. Dan Kervick‏ @DanMKervick Apr 17
          Replying to @HeerJeet @normative

          I doubt that is true. At the time the gospels were composed, others like Josephus were writing perfectly recognizable history based on weighing sources. We might think the historians got stuff wrong, but they recognized there was such a thing as getting things right.

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        2. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative Apr 18
          Replying to @HeerJeet

          They’re writing four centuries after Thucydides, and John is roughly contemporary with Livy. It rings a little oddly to me to say they entirely lacked the concept… it’s just not what the Gospel authors are primarily doing.

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        3. Unnamed Democrat‏ @UnnamedDem Apr 18
          Replying to @normative @HeerJeet

          Luke certainly has a concept of history: he says he's taking care to correct the mistakes of earlier accounts. But he shows no awareness that "the Angel Gabriel then appeared to Mary" requires any more comment or explanation than "Quirinius was then governor of Syria."

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