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    1. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1

      This is interesting - I love a good Hume reference - but wholly and entirely unpersuasivehttps://nonzero.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-whataboutism?utm_source=url&s=r …

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    2. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1

      The original use of "whataboutism," a Cold War term, refers to bad faith arguments from the Soviets and their defenders. Their references to US crimes were not an attempt to engage in legitimate political critique, but to *distract from and legitimize* malign Soviet behavior.

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    3. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1

      In this sense, it's a propaganda tactic rather than a good faith argument: an attempt to exploit one set of atrocities to cover for another

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    4. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1

      Whataboutism of this sort is not defensible. It is not a real attempt to prompt critical self-reflection on the part of Western audiences, but to paralyze their critical faculties and turn them away from supporting actions design to frustrate human rights abuses abroad.

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    5. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Mar 1
      Replying to @zackbeauchamp

      Isn't it the general consensus among historians that one big reason USA started taking civil rights more seriously in 1950s and 1960s was felt need to respond to Soviet criticism of hypocrisy? I mean there's a lot of evidence for this

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    6. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      That's not really relevant to the question of argumentative form and intent? The Soviets did this in plenty of contexts that weren't civil rights too

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    7. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Mar 1
      Replying to @zackbeauchamp

      Intent is less important I think than whether arguments were accurate and worth attending to.

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    8. tyrant lizard prince‏ @rex_the_reptile Mar 1
      Replying to @HeerJeet @zackbeauchamp

      the soviets played that propaganda game because they believed it worked to their own interests if you're going to take a consequentialist approach consider that

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Mar 1
      Replying to @rex_the_reptile @zackbeauchamp

      Right, and what do you think was the more effective response to those arguments: dismissing them as propaganda or acknowledging truth of them and trying to repair the acknowledged problem?

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        2. tyrant lizard prince‏ @rex_the_reptile Mar 1
          Replying to @HeerJeet @zackbeauchamp

          the soviets are trying to shut people up by engaging in whataboutism, not cure any problems they do this because it works

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        3. tyrant lizard prince‏ @rex_the_reptile Mar 1
          Replying to @rex_the_reptile @HeerJeet @zackbeauchamp

          not really a coherent position to say "well their propaganda is effective because we take it at face value so we have to fix our own problems before they fix theirs"

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