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    1. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1

      This is interesting - I love a good Hume reference - but wholly and entirely unpersuasivehttps://nonzero.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-whataboutism?utm_source=url&s=r …

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    2. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1

      The original use of "whataboutism," a Cold War term, refers to bad faith arguments from the Soviets and their defenders. Their references to US crimes were not an attempt to engage in legitimate political critique, but to *distract from and legitimize* malign Soviet behavior.

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    3. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1

      In this sense, it's a propaganda tactic rather than a good faith argument: an attempt to exploit one set of atrocities to cover for another

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    4. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1

      Whataboutism of this sort is not defensible. It is not a real attempt to prompt critical self-reflection on the part of Western audiences, but to paralyze their critical faculties and turn them away from supporting actions design to frustrate human rights abuses abroad.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Mar 1
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      Isn't it the general consensus among historians that one big reason USA started taking civil rights more seriously in 1950s and 1960s was felt need to respond to Soviet criticism of hypocrisy? I mean there's a lot of evidence for this

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        1. Paul Elliott Johnson‏ @RhetoricPJ Mar 1
          Replying to @HeerJeet @zackbeauchamp

          yes, but it mattered that such actions also advanced commercial interests to a great degree (i.e. the notion that moral consistency rather than realpolitik motivated the decision isn't entirely wrong but a bit thin)

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        2. Zack Beauchamp‏Verified account @zackbeauchamp Mar 1
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          That's not really relevant to the question of argumentative form and intent? The Soviets did this in plenty of contexts that weren't civil rights too

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        3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Mar 1
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          Intent is less important I think than whether arguments were accurate and worth attending to.

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        1. Ryan Jerome LeCount‏ @hoosierbluesman Mar 1
          Replying to @HeerJeet @zackbeauchamp

          This is where that terrifying CRT that we all keep hearing about comes in so handy. It's what Derek Bell calls "interest convergence," and it's very far from the only such example of progress happening under such conditions.

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