Funding/leadership/political context are what actually matters and downplaying this serves what purpose exactly? Like, yeah, grandma is nice and didn’t have a swastika tattooed on her forehead. No shit. Okay, but what are the material forces, the primary movers
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Replying to @adamjohnsonNYC @beyerstein
I don't think it's downplaying to say this is a fascist led movement that is recruiting & radicalizing people who are starting from a place of real grievances.
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Replying to @HeerJeet @adamjohnsonNYC
Why valorize this as "real grievance"? >90% of Canadians are vaccinated. Canadians reelected a government with a hands-on view of the pandemic.
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There are legitimate things to be aggrieved about in Canadian society, but why not just talk to normal people who want to relax pandemic rules instead of twisting yourself into knots trying to present these extremists as the voice of the people?
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Replying to @beyerstein @adamjohnsonNYC
A fascist led movement that gets a third of the public to express sympathy is a big deal. Kind of important to find out what the attraction is (and ways to disentangle the followers from the leaders).
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Replying to @HeerJeet @adamjohnsonNYC
Credulously platforming people based purely on their personal insistence that they aren't fascists, despite their enthusiastic participation in a fascist street action, is not a responsible way to go about that.
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Got through interview without dropping racial slur. Check! Gave me a hug: Check! Clearly this person deserves to be the main focus of my report. No credibility issues here.
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Replying to @beyerstein @adamjohnsonNYC
I think a lot of people who are attracted to extremist movements are lost souls who have been unmoored by events. Trying to get a sense of that social reality is more useful rather than simply assuming they are just innately bad people doing bad things.
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Sure, a good origin story is fun, but one doesn't have to portray them as innately bad to make the point that they are currently, in the moment bad people doing bad things.
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Who said anything about innate goodness or badness? They're doing bad things.
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"Bad people doing bad things" is not productive of solutions and politics. "Who were they radicalized" is.
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I don't care if they're "bad people," but their actions speak louder than their self-serving words. Who radicalized these hapless people to fascism is a great frame and totally different from what Goldberg's doing.
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"People who weren't fascists 6 months ago are doing fascism, why?" is a good frame that doesn't valorize this vicious movement.
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