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    Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Feb 15

    Jeet Heer Retweeted Adam Serwer  🍝

    This is right & also explains the difficulty liberalism faces in these political battles since the characteristic liberal move (except in a few cases) is to try to sideline values/ideology & focus on facts/process. (Big exception is civil rights, where liberalism is more robust)https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1493591510495150080 …

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    Adam Serwer  🍝Verified account @AdamSerwer
    Replying to @JamesSurowiecki @sivavaid
    I didn’t say “facts are irrelevant.” I said that disagreements rooted in values and ideology aren’t solved by agreeing on facts.
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      2. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Feb 15

        Of course, in the long long run liberalism has been hugely successful fencing off insolvable religious & metaphysical disagreements in order to delimit the range of politics to more manageable fact/process policy disputes. But there's limits to how far you can delimit.

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      3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Feb 15

        What we call post-liberalism (on both left & right) is realization that delimited politics has reached limits & there are in fact crucial political problems that require more substantive & robust value based organizing.

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      2. Arsenal, food, and politics‏ @130delmar Feb 15
        Replying to @HeerJeet

        This is right. And yet there are a number of major issues where a values-based approach would be powerful (climate change, income inequality, gun control)…why don’t liberals lean into values more?

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      3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Feb 15
        Replying to @130delmar

        Their formation prevents them from. They are too shaped by their own history.

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      1. James A. Robichaux‏ @JamesRobichaux Feb 15
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        James A. Robichaux Retweeted James A. Robichaux

        Yeah, and that "characteristic liberal move" is often a self-inflicted fatal wound, and I really wish that more "liberals" would get this. Because OUR OPPONENTS get it, which is how they so easily win narrative battles.https://twitter.com/JamesRobichaux/status/1493386258390921220?s=20&t=EEz1wuovhALN6YqEx10Mfw …

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        James A. Robichaux @JamesRobichaux
        Replying to @erinrpineda
        Yes, this is something I've been struggling to articulate for a while. So much of the liberal and even progressive criticism for the Jan 6 attackers is that "it was a violent, illegal attack" and not "it was a violent attack in the service of violent white patriarchy."
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      1. spherulitic‏ @spherulitic Feb 15
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        The main different between liberals and leftists is that leftist belief is based on a moral core of values, and liberalism is based on the core value that capitalist economics is more important than moral values.

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      1. RayCiaf‏ @nbex9 Feb 15
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        If liberalism breaks everyone down into atomized individuals with their own ‘rights’ then ‘facts’ don’t really matter. The ideology they’re following is liberalism. ‘Individual FREEDOM’ supersedes the greater good no matter what. That is the most important ‘value.’

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      1. buoyant forces  🌻‏ @buoyant444 Feb 15
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        except he means disagreements rooted in mythology

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      1. Erik Nordman‏ @ErikNordman Feb 15
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        Erik Nordman Retweeted Erik Nordman

        💯 that's what I tried to convey in this thread last week:https://twitter.com/ErikNordman/status/1492148265546141699?t=RhQJmuN5YyUgXzyZIbzhtQ&s=19p …

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        What does the Migratory Bird Treaty Act have to do with COVID? In my natural resource policy class yesterday, we talked about the MBTA. It protects birds, but allows states to declare some species as game birds and manage hunting seasons. pic.twitter.com/aBdWNpZD0Z
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