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    1. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Feb 5

      Maybe we should discuss whether Hari Seldon's psychohistory is a science?

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    2. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Feb 5

      My position is that Seldon didn't found a proper science but rather a highly effective ideology. It was a self-fulfilling prophesy: by convincing people it was true, it became true.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet Feb 5

      If we take serious Imre Lakatos's view of science as a productive research project, then, no, Seldon's psychohistory is not a science.

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        1. Thomas Coady‏ @t0mcoady Feb 5
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          I never liked the series

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        1. Dr Smokter‏ @DSmokter Feb 5
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          It's a statistical discipline where manipulative experiments that enable strong inference hypothesis testing are impractical. Like meteorology, or human genetics. Still science. One can pose hypotheses and test them with novel data analyses.

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        1. J ⚙️MES‏ @Obscurica Feb 5
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          Nah, too many vital fields of research get excluded that way. Not that you're wrong about it being an ideology, but group psychology is still a science and this is basically the nightmare eldritch version of that line of inquiry.

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        1. ProfOfIndefiniteArticles‏ @ProfThibodeau Feb 5
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          It's obviously magic. Or magick.

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        1. Meanie-meanie, tickle a person  ❎‏ @me_knee_me_knee Feb 5
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          That's a bit like saying all the scientists who were wrong about something before Scientist X made The Big Breakthrough weren't doing science.

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        1. E.D.James‏ @EDJames19959020 Feb 5
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          But then there's the "The only way to predict the future is to invent it" thing.

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        1. David Benfell, Ph.D.‏ @n4rky Feb 5
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          How do you define 'productive?'

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        1. Wagner Felix‏ @wdcfelix Feb 5
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          In a sense, psychohistory is Philosophy, if people had read Plato's Republic more literally as a how-to.

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        1. Ben Sammis‏ @BenSammis Feb 6
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          I’d argue that Second Foundation refutes that argument. Though at that point it’s perhaps more engineering than science.

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        2. Blue Eyed Hexe‏ @EyedHexe Feb 6
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          What about a theory a little closer to home? This "The Fourth Turning" book may or may not be scientific but there sure is a lot of evidence to support the hypothesis. That being, we're going to see society come pretty close to falling apart every 80 years, because generations.

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        3. Blue Eyed Hexe‏ @EyedHexe Feb 6
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          I've been told Steve Bannon is a big believer in this book so I gave it a read. It's pretty compelling, it predicted a lot of what's eventually come to pass.

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