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    1. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 11 Dec 2021

      Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦 Retweeted Mulboyne

      Another small sign of tankie ideas slipping into the mainstream socialist movement in America:https://twitter.com/Mulboyne/status/1469668307192381449 …

      Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦 added,

      Mulboyne @Mulboyne
      Elizabeth Bruenig, being asked about her red line for use of US military power at around 44:15. "What if China invaded Japan?" "Well, in the great historical ledger, Japan kind of has it coming from China, considering the way we left it, after WWII". https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/left-right-center/small-better-things …
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    2. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 11 Dec 2021

      I mean, partly this is tankie ideas infecting mainstream socialism, but also partly this is the general American tendency to analyze foreign policy like a 12-year-old, saying "Hee hee, wouldn't it be cool if country X invaded country Y" because to you they're just lines on a map.

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    3. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 11 Dec 2021

      "Oh of course I'm antiwar, because all my friends are antiwar, and war is, like, so lame, you know, but like, wouldn't it also be cool if Country X totally invaded and conquered Country Y? I mean, Country Y has weird food, they kinda deserve it. Anyway let's go to the mall!"

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    4. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 11 Dec 2021

      Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦 Retweeted Jeet Heer

      "An appropriate response to a war scenario I consider unrealistic is to advance a theory of just war in which wars of choice are justified by revanchism. Tee hee, ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer."https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1469725688429228035?t=4gGD3_gbD-QttvYjZREN3A&s=19 …

      Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦 added,

      Jeet HeerVerified account @HeerJeet
      Let me suggest that absurd questions deserve absurd replies. https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1469720233149546496 …
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    5. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 11 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      What do you think of as the likelihood that China will invade Japan in, say, the next 20 years? 100%? 50%? 25%? 10%? Give me a number.

      9 replies 0 retweets 86 likes
    6. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 11 Dec 2021
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      Suppose it's 0.1%. is it then not worth considering as a hypothetical in order to establish someone's theory of just war? Should our moral principles only be explored using highly likely war scenarios?

      10 replies 0 retweets 77 likes
    7. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 11 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      I think the creation of highly unlikely hypothetical scenarios to justify militarism has a bad history. See Dick Cheney's one percent doctrine.

      3 replies 1 retweet 126 likes
    8. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 11 Dec 2021
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      You evade my question, Heer. Must moral principles be established using only highly likely hypotheticals?

      9 replies 0 retweets 38 likes
    9. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 11 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      You evaded my earlier question. You haven't said what you think are the actual odds of China invading Japan. Also: a news program discussing current events is not a seminar on Kant.

      1 reply 0 retweets 66 likes
    10. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 11 Dec 2021
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      I don't know the chance, and I am not so arrogant as to be willing to throw out a number with any degree of certainty. Now answer my question.

      2 replies 0 retweets 20 likes
      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 11 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      I answered your question: I don't think a discussion of current events on radio is under the same rules a philosophy seminar. In the context of popular discourse, responding to to an absurd scenario (one you yourself won't commit to a number on) with a mocking answer is fine.

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        2. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 11 Dec 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet

          So a radio interview is so lowbrow that hosts aren't allowed to try to establish people's moral principles using unrealistic hypotheticals? Thats a strange hill to die on, but OK.

          3 replies 0 retweets 31 likes
        3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 11 Dec 2021
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I don't think the purpose of those hypotheticals is to establish moral principles. It's to promote threat inflation. Being realistic about what these rhetorical moves are all about is crucial.

          5 replies 3 retweets 109 likes
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        2. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 11 Dec 2021
          Replying to @smugneolib @Noahpinion

          The question was not war between China & Japan but what if China invades Japan. Is that a likelihood?

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        1. Matt DeMonte‏ @mattdemonte 11 Dec 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet @Noahpinion

          Liz Bruenig is more of a pacifist / non-interventionist than she is a tankie. My read is that she would consider herself part of the anti-war Catholic left, definitely a redistributionist but not into violence.

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