Strong episode benefitting from hosts having covered this topic before & having depth. One issue worth more exploration is the ties to cryptocurrency in the National conservative crowd, which at the very least suggests a tension (since crypto undermines nation state).https://twitter.com/MatthewSitman/status/1463712653621268480 …
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The crypto example suggests one approach social democrats could take against national conservatism: that it's a fake nationalism created by transnational actors that really want free action of economic elite.
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Conservatism doesn't have to make sense it just has to pull the right cultural levers
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