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    3. Alex Bloom‏ @alexpbloom 15 Nov 2021
      Replying to @mattyglesias

      I don't understand. This is a total straw man of what progressives would like taught in history courses? Is there a citation of anyone saying, "only teach the bad stuff"? People are saying, "you can't only teach the good stuff."

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    4. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 15 Nov 2021
      Replying to @alexpbloom @mattyglesias

      I don't feel it's a straw man. Instead I think many progressives have convinced themselves that current history classes are nationalistic propaganda, and that they have to emphasize anti-patriotic education in order to balance the scales.

      277 replies 23 retweets 623 likes
    5. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 15 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Noahpinion @alexpbloom @mattyglesias

      C'mon man. "Anti-patriotic education" is a right wing smear, not an honest engagement with what American historians of all stripes do.pic.twitter.com/7sAt5vf631

      7 replies 10 retweets 905 likes
    6. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 15 Nov 2021
      Replying to @HeerJeet @alexpbloom @mattyglesias

      We should try our best not to make that smear accurate, Jeet

      10 replies 0 retweets 61 likes
    7. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 15 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Noahpinion @HeerJeet

      And Jeet, let me say that I think you, personally, have been too eager to advance and embrace an anti-patriotic worldview over the past couple of years. I worried about that because I view you as a key barometer of mainstream progressivism!

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    8. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 15 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      I honestly don't know what "anti-patriotic worldview" is. I mean 1619 project gets accused by right of being anti-patriotic but it's a story of national redemption (especially NHJ's introductory essay). If nation includes POC then POC history has to be part of national narrative

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    9. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 15 Nov 2021
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      I liked that introductory essay, but selling the project based on the idea that slavery represents "the true founding of America" was bad messaging in addition to being a pretty questionable historical narrative, IMO.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 15 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      The standard approach until very recently was to downplay Native & Black history & have Dunning style white wash. It's worth pondering what a wide swath of experience & understanding is sacrificed to fake patriotism.

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        2. Carl‏ @HistoryBoomer 15 Nov 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet @Noahpinion

          “Standard approach” and “until recently” are pretty vague. I’ve been teaching a long time and I cover lots of America’s nasty side. I’ve never met someone teaching hoo-rah US history. (College level NYC, other places may be different.)

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        3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 16 Nov 2021
          Replying to @HistoryBoomer @Noahpinion

          This stuff is still out there shaping culture. Education has a long tail.https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/hillary-clinton-reconstruction/427095/ …

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        2. Howard Schrader‏ @hschrader 15 Nov 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet @Noahpinion

          Generally sympathetic to the 1619 "project," but the Dunning school of historiography was discredited a half-century ago. Hardly "very recently."

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        3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 16 Nov 2021
          Replying to @hschrader @Noahpinion

          You literally have recent examples of liberal Democratic politicians echoing Dunning school (as in 2016 presidential nominee):https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/hillary-clinton-reconstruction/427095/ …

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        2. SHAFIQUR RAHMAN‏ @leninrahman 15 Nov 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet @Noahpinion

          Can you find a line in NHJ voluminous public commentary where you can point out she is proud of some aspects of USA? All liberals and centrists know America is mix of good and bad, overall a unique collective endeavor in mod history. Where do you see the left acknowledge good?

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        3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 15 Nov 2021
          Replying to @leninrahman @Noahpinion

          I assume you are capable of reading things yourself.

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        2. Noah Smith  🐇 🇺🇦‏Verified account @Noahpinion 15 Nov 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet

          I'm not at all sure your characterization of American history pedagogy is true (based on my own experience I suspect you're strongly overstating things), but also I think people don't pay attention in class and mainly learn about history from the internet and their peers.

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        1. Eric Medlin‏ @MedlinWrites 15 Nov 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet @Noahpinion

          "Very recently" you do know Hofstadter dismissed Dunning in the 40s right?

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        2. John Brown‏ @NicholasLoewen 16 Nov 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet @Noahpinion

          My dad wrote a whole book about it: Lies My Teacher Told Me. He surveyed a bunch of most used textbooks and analyzed their presentation on different eras of US history.

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        3. muad'glib‏ @muadglib 16 Nov 2021
          Replying to @NicholasLoewen @HeerJeet @Noahpinion

          It’s a great book, as well as the followup Lies Across America that examines what is represented on historical markers, statues and monuments throughout the nation.

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