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    1. Sebastian H‏ @Sebastian_Hols 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @HeerJeet @jholbo1 @jessesingal

      No one can honestly say that getting rid of the SAT and nothing replacing it with any other test is ‘mild and moderate’. Give me a break. 🙄

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    2. John Holbo‏ @jholbo1 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Sebastian_Hols @HeerJeet @jessesingal

      I think it's reasonable to think that getting rid of the SAT won't, by itself, sweepingly transform society.

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    3. Sebastian H‏ @Sebastian_Hols 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @jholbo1 @HeerJeet @jessesingal

      Oh come on. You’re a philosopher. Yes indeed, one step by itself is rarely sufficient. It’s a huge step that’s definitely neither mild nor moderate right? It didn’t come out of nowhere. (Though it did go against the express recommendations of the UC faculty).

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    4. John Holbo‏ @jholbo1 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Sebastian_Hols @HeerJeet @jessesingal

      Look, if you say 'these SAT reforms entail sweeping transformations of society' the first thing people will respond is 'slow your roll'. I think you are right the SAT stuff is ill-considered. But if you exaggerate right out of the gate, expect skeptical pushback, is all.

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    5. Sebastian H‏ @Sebastian_Hols 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @jholbo1 @HeerJeet @jessesingal

      Again the exact Jeet quote is “The idea that there is any sweeping social and political changes happening *or being proposed* is dubious. Not sweeping transformations of society. You about tripled the claim. Changes<transformations in most rhetorical uses right?

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    6. Sebastian H‏ @Sebastian_Hols 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Sebastian_Hols @jholbo1 and

      The largest components of admissions *were* grades and tests. The regents, overruling the finding of their faculty, got rid of half the biggest components. That is a “sweeping change”.

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    7. John Holbo‏ @jholbo1 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Sebastian_Hols @HeerJeet @jessesingal

      But not of society as a whole.

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    8. John Holbo‏ @jholbo1 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @jholbo1 @Sebastian_Hols and

      This is boringly picky, but still fair. If someone calls a curricular form a 'sweeping change to society' someone is sure to point out, rightly, that there's more to society than school.

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    9. Sebastian H‏ @Sebastian_Hols 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @jholbo1 @HeerJeet @jessesingal

      There is no anti-SAT society. The anti-standardized testing platforms come in from DEI groups and Racial Equity groups. Banning the SAT is a sweeping change that is one of the many changes they want.

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    10. Sebastian H‏ @Sebastian_Hols 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Sebastian_Hols @jholbo1 and

      The suggestion that each individual change is “sweeping” only it’s own domain and that you can’t add them up is indeed tedious. Another change proposed by the same groups was “abolish the police”. Also rather sweeping.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 8 Nov 2021
      Replying to @Sebastian_Hols @jholbo1 @jessesingal

      The slogan was "defund the police" but as it happened both major party presidential candidates in 2020 ran on giving more money to police and no jurisdiction has defunded the police. Loud slogans upheld by a minority & are the opposite of actual policy don't constitute sweeping.

      6:25 PM - 8 Nov 2021
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        2. John Holbo‏ @jholbo1 8 Nov 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet @Sebastian_Hols @jessesingal

          'Defund the police' was a terrible slogan for a mixed bag of mostly reasonable, if wishful policy ideas aimed at a tough, real problem: police resistance to reform of the police.

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        3. John Holbo‏ @jholbo1 8 Nov 2021
          Replying to @jholbo1 @HeerJeet and

          It's fair to criticize the radicalism of 'defund the police' as counter-productive, slogan-wise, but it isn't really realistic to think that those behind it wanted anything crazier than: a plausibly quite reasonable set of major reforms to police.

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        1. Sebastian H‏ @Sebastian_Hols 8 Nov 2021
          Replying to @HeerJeet @jholbo1 @jessesingal

          No. Since we are being ridiculously not picky I’m not letting you get away with this one. The slogan was “abolish the police”.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.amp.html …

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