Old enough to (sort of) remember when de Gaulle pulled France out of NATO in ‘66 because he thought US-UK alliance dominated - and because he was facing elections as Macron is today.
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Replying to @PGourevitch
I’m sort of struggling to get my head around whether this is more abt geo strategy or losing a major weapons deal. obviously both. But still a question.
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Seems to be a large element of pique at being cut out - also domestic/nationalistic politics with Macron gearing up to fend off LePen: we do not let anglophones cut and diminish us. And France was once a major Pacific power - from Indochina to Polynesia to Madagascar etc.
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right. that’s my sense of this. and obviously the UK is on its own imperial nostalgia trip at the moment. but the relationship with Australia is what it is. I’d forgotten France did anything in the pacific anymore besides detonate nukes
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Macron has been really into imperial role-playing. All sorts of French interventions in Africa as well. It's part of his attempt to occupy the Gaullist space in French politics.
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obviously the US has lots of problems and hang ups itself. but we’ve got a bunch of problems as a world right now but along with everything else it’s clear these fmr imperial powers haven’t worked through this stuff.
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yeah, I mean, I know I shldnt be surprised. but it’s sort of hitting me that we’re needing to pretend that France is a pacific imperial power to manage our geopolitical rivalry with China. like what? I guess it’s part and parcel w our needing to confer w them abt Afghanistan
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Amour propre is, I think, the right phrase here.
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it will be remarkable if NATO spins apart over Australia
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