This is not a case of Democratic Party ideological intransigence preventing cooperation. The Dems have tried to make deals with Manchin and Sinema to advance the party's priorities and they've failed.
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But I truly don't see how Dem leadership trying desperately but failing to get Manchin and Sinema on board is comparable to the German Communist Party refusing to cooperate with the SocDems to fight Hitler. That's an utterly bizarre analogy.
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It's not like Joe Biden has declared Joe Manchin a "social fascist" and proclaimed him a bigger enemy of the Democratic Party than the Republicans.
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Corey's Robin's explicit point is that ideological dissipation (the Dems) can enable authoritarianism as much as ideological intransigent (German CP): so not that the two things are the same but that they are different but have the same consequences.
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What does "ideological dissipation" mean in this context? The Democratic Party has a very clear ideological agenda and it's trying to get two holdouts in line.
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It's not the Democratic Party's fault that Manchin improbably survived the political realignment of West Virginia long enough to become an obstacle to their agenda.
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I think it's reasonable to expect political parties to find ways to hold members in line for "existential" (Biden's characterization) issues -- that's the argument.
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How do you "hold a member in line" when he's from a state that voted 69-30 for Donald Trump, and voted 70-29 for a Republican senator?
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If anything they are probably covering for other moderate Democrats who are more vulnerable to a primary challenge.
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I agree - I think there are more Dems than Manchin and Sinema who don't want to have to vote to abolish the filibuster.
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Right, which goes back to the point that the institutional Democratic party doesn't take threat to democracy seriously. They might be right about that, but there is a divide between their rhetoric of existential threat and their institutionalism stand-patism.
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It's more complicated than that. If Dems lose control of the Senate, then having passed HR1 is not going to make a difference.
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so if they really wanted to save their democratic majority, why aren't they adding DC and PR as states?
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