it's good that the fascist hard core are organizing a national political party?
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Replying to @SethAckerman @lionel_trolling
Of course it is. The threat of a fascist splinter party winning power following a break with Republicans in a first-past-the-post system pales in comparison to the threat that the GOP poses as currently constituted
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Replying to @EricLevitz @lionel_trolling
I just want to underscore that we're talking about a "full-blown fascist party" (i.e. Jobbik, not Fidesz) running candidates in every state, winning office here and there, with a national fundraising apparatus etc. And your reaction would really be "great, the GOP is screwed"?
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I think part of our analysis is based on historic fate of third parties in USA, where political structure is strongly weighed against them gaining significant power.
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Right, but what surprises me is this focus on state power as the one true threat. Because just days ago, the vibe on the left seemed to be that the real fascist threat comes from "fascist civil society" getting organized and incited
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My opinion isn't that the danger is from fascist civil society (which remains disorganized) but FCS + state: of a demagogue in power like Trump who signals to FCS he is on his their side, incites them & uses power to protect them. So a Trump who goes a little farther.
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One thing I've learned about the fascist threat is that it sometimes gets scarier but it never gets less scary. This phenomenon might be called the fascist ratchet.
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I think there are periods in history when fascism recedes and becomes less of a threat. It ebbs and flows depending on historical circumstances.
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When would you say fascism was in recession in the US?
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That was an example that came to mind. But honestly I think Goldwater defeat weakened it for good decade or more as did 1992 splinter in GOP.
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OK, but if we went back to post-1992, we would find a whole section of the left hyperventilating about the advancing fascist tide - Pat Buchanan winning NH, the Christian Right taking over school boards, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City......
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Replying to @SethAckerman @HeerJeet and
So this is my suspicion: for much of the liberal/left, fascists are always advancing, even if they never arrive. It's almost like those people are a kind of solution.
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