I dunno man. I think a strategy of building a political movement from the bottom up (which includes getting good people in small positions) is more likely to succeed in the long run than relying on a moonshot bid for the presidency.
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or is it that the fantasy of taking over the inveterately hostile Democratic party from the bottom up is useful to people who are committed to defending the Democratic party as it carries out its mission of full immiseration while still appearing 'progressive'?
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I'm open to all options! They are 1) taking over Dems from bottom up 2) Trump style hostile takeover from top 3) third party 4) mass protests. Bernie tried 2 valiantly & failed. 3 tried repeatedly & failed. 4 you guys reject (based on comments on Chapo on climate protests & BLM)
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"mass protests" is handwaving pettifoggery.
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I'm confused, you talked about joining said protests on a podcast as recently as last month.
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i'm referring to Jeet's use of the term 'mass protests' to define a strategy for building power divorced from any considerations of organizational capacity.
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Popular movements always have less organizational capacity than the bosses because (duh) the bosses own the means of production. And yet somehow for 200 years we've seen mass movements that have been cobbled together and effected real change.
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there's a difference between 'less' and 'effectively none.'
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What was the organizing capacity of slaves in 1855 or of industrial labor in 1930? It's a weird form of managerial leftism to think organizational capacity precedes popular uprisings rather than grows out of them and in pace with them.
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I don’t reject mass protests but you can’t really expect people keep coming to those protests while nothing really fundamentally changed. Most people see politics as a mean to an end, if the left couldn’t organize effectively, how do we deliver progress and maintain credibility?
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