I dunno man. I think a strategy of building a political movement from the bottom up (which includes getting good people in small positions) is more likely to succeed in the long run than relying on a moonshot bid for the presidency.
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or is it that the fantasy of taking over the inveterately hostile Democratic party from the bottom up is useful to people who are committed to defending the Democratic party as it carries out its mission of full immiseration while still appearing 'progressive'?
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I'm open to all options! They are 1) taking over Dems from bottom up 2) Trump style hostile takeover from top 3) third party 4) mass protests. Bernie tried 2 valiantly & failed. 3 tried repeatedly & failed. 4 you guys reject (based on comments on Chapo on climate protests & BLM)
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"mass protests" is handwaving pettifoggery.
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I'm confused, you talked about joining said protests on a podcast as recently as last month.
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i'm referring to Jeet's use of the term 'mass protests' to define a strategy for building power divorced from any considerations of organizational capacity.
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Popular movements always have less organizational capacity than the bosses because (duh) the bosses own the means of production. And yet somehow for 200 years we've seen mass movements that have been cobbled together and effected real change.
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The Civil Rights Movement was incredibly organized idk what you’re talking about
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Incredibly organized after decades of effort! But often both energized by and and tension with more spontaneous protests.
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Those spontaneous protests by themselves wouldn’t have accomplished anything without the organization, and there’s not really organization now on a comparable level
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