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    1. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @LeoECasey @HeerJeet @mkazin

      I am not saying that you have to accept the changes in his position, but it you can't account for why he did change (and "forgetting" is not an explanation) and show its error, you don't have a compelling critique.

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    2. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @LeoECasey @HeerJeet @mkazin

      Here is an analogy that might help explain my point. There are many people on the left who derive their politics from Shachtman and the Workers Party, circa 1940-1950. This appears under rubrics of "third camp socialism," "socialism from below" and "revolutionary socialism."

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    3. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @LeoECasey @HeerJeet @mkazin

      Because Shachtman was so central to the development of this political view, and because his subsequent political trajectory clearly abandoned it, this poses a dilemma for those who want to pursue those politics.

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    4. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @LeoECasey @HeerJeet @mkazin

      And so we end up with a number of "explanations" of the trajectory that attempt to write it off as some quirk of Shachtman's personality, some failing of character that he would abandon the revolutionary path for personal comfort, etc.

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    5. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @LeoECasey @HeerJeet @mkazin

      What those "explanations" do is provide a means of avoiding a serious engagement with what in Shachtman's and Workers Party politics made this trajectory possible, and what that might tell us about flaws in the original position.

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    6. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @LeoECasey @HeerJeet @mkazin

      Because if one did engage those questions, then one would have to think critically about the "third camp socialism," "socialism from below," and "revolutionary socialism" you yourself were advocating.

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    7. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @LeoECasey @HeerJeet @mkazin

      And one of the questions that one would have to confront is the absolutist nature of the political thinking. Hitchens of 1990 can not be so easily separated from Hitchens of 2003.

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    8. foucaults brown daddy‏ @re_formalist 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @LeoECasey @HeerJeet @mkazin

      Agreed forgetting is probably a poor choice of words. However, we should allow for the fact that Hitchens himself could’ve rather arbitrarily changed his views in the post-9/11 world. Expectation of coherence also introduces a bias!

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    9. Thomas Swords‏ @ThomasSwords 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @re_formalist @LeoECasey and

      Seems like the most obvious answer is that Hitch’s anti-Muslim bigotry overrode his otherwise-sensible understanding of imperialism.

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    10. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @ThomasSwords @re_formalist and

      It was not particular to Muslims: it was a village atheism that treated all religious expressions as anathema. One can't understand this without delving into Hitchens' absolutist thinking.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 12 Jul 2020
      Replying to @LeoECasey @ThomasSwords and

      Except that Hichens would acknowledge, say, the the beauty of the King James Bible & Anglican liturgy but never concede the Islam had real civilizational achievements. Which means his atheism was also a parochialism.

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        2. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
          Replying to @HeerJeet @ThomasSwords and

          I don't disagree that he reserved a particular venom for Islam, and would even acknowledge this with dubious arguments that it was more misogynist and more homophobic than other major faiths. (He ignored questions of race, where Islam has been much better than Christianity.)

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        3. Leo Casey‏ @LeoECasey 12 Jul 2020
          Replying to @LeoECasey @HeerJeet and

          But it was his atheism that provided the intellectual foundation. Just as ex-Communists could become Stalinist anti-Stalinists, he was a religious bigot opposed to all religious bigotry.

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        1. Thomas Swords‏ @ThomasSwords 12 Jul 2020
          Replying to @HeerJeet @LeoECasey and

          Kind of embarrassing for someone often celebrated as one of his generation’s foremost public intellectuals to not acknowledge the achievements of the Islamic Golden Age.

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