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    1. David Weigel‏Verified account @daveweigel 9 Jul 2020

      David Weigel Retweeted James Bovard

      Look, if a "was the Civil War worth it" debate is what it takes for the takeosphere to shut up about Harper's, I'm for it.https://twitter.com/JimBovard/status/1281274522709172225 …

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      James Bovard @JimBovard
      How many folks cheerleading for John Brown & the Civil War know that post-war ex-slaves had a mortality rate @ 200+ times higher than the COVID-19 fatalities this year? https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/19th-century-radical-chic-the-transcendentalists-love-affair-with-john-brown/ …
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    2. Franklin Harris‏ @FranklinH3000 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @daveweigel

      Counter-historicals is always a crapshoot, but the U.S. was the only nation in the Western hemisphere apart from Haiti that needed violence to end slavery, so possibly there was an alternative. However, I view the American Civil War as the 3rd English Civil War, so I figure North

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 9 Jul 2020
      Replying to @FranklinH3000 @daveweigel

      The American Revolution was the real problem. It locked in the power of the planter elite & also ideology of Lockean property rights (providing basis for confederate worldview).

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        2. Franklin Harris‏ @FranklinH3000 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @HeerJeet @daveweigel

          The Confederate worldview was largely based on neo-feudalism, with the plantation economy standing in for the estate and slaves for serfs. Jefferson's Lockean gloss confuses causes in effect. The Confederacy had rationalizations, not reasons.

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        3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @FranklinH3000 @daveweigel

          Like all ideologies it was a mishmash but the idea that property (even human property) is sacred was crucial, and much of the neo-feudialism was just Walter Scott LARPing.

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        2. b-boy bouiebaisse‏Verified account @jbouie 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @HeerJeet @FranklinH3000 @daveweigel

          yep. under London, North American slaveowners were one constituency among many, and one whose influence may have been on the decline because of developments elsewhere in the Atlantic world. but as part of a new independent republic, they were quite influential.

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        3. William Earl Burns‏ @williameburns13 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @jbouie @HeerJeet and

          But with the industrial revolution and the rise of the cotton economy, their influence in London may have risen again.

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        2. Josh Marshall‏Verified account @joshtpm 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @HeerJeet @FranklinH3000 @daveweigel

          It did transform the slaveholding elite into a major political constituency from a peripheral, parochial one. But this is a very limited view of the American Revolution.

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        3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @joshtpm @FranklinH3000 @daveweigel

          Right -- the Revolution also gave impetus and legitimacy to the emerging anti-slavery movement. It was a contrary phenomenon and out of its contradictions led to the civil war.

          1 reply 1 retweet 27 likes
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        1. Shervin Malekzadeh شروین ملک زاده‏ @Swarthy_Bastard 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @HeerJeet @FranklinH3000 @daveweigel

          Popkin makes a similar argument in “You Shall All Be Free,” namely that the impossibility of reconciling "sacred" property rights with the “rights of man” made violent struggle likely if not inevitable in Haiti and the USpic.twitter.com/xSSrirmxfP

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        1. *casts Glibness*‏ @alasurstrigis 9 Jul 2020
          Replying to @HeerJeet @FranklinH3000 @daveweigel

          It's not the main thrust of the conversation here, but I feel like there's not enough emphasis on the rest of "Lockean property rights" as prescribed, namely the requirement "where there is enough, and as good, left in common for others."

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