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    1. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 31 May 2020
      Replying to @jamisonfoser

      The article provides names, which is the "data" one needs when talking about a small, elite faction, which is what neo-conservatism is. You don't need a sophisticated polling operation when dealing with several thousand policy people.

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    2. Jamison Foser‏ @jamisonfoser 31 May 2020
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      Of course you know that a small handful of people from Faction X supporting the party with which it is not associated is a completely routine thing that happens every election, so pointing to a small handful to claim the faction itself switched support is intellectually dishonest

      2 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
    3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 31 May 2020
      Replying to @jamisonfoser

      It's not completely routine. Most elite factions are fairly partisan. If it was something completely routine, people wouldn't write about the political shifts of the neo-cons. But there are in fact many articles and even books about it.

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    4. Jamison Foser‏ @jamisonfoser 31 May 2020
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      You said “neocons shifted parties” in 1992 and 2016. You based that on like six people. That is obvious nonsense. Go away.

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    5. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 31 May 2020
      Replying to @jamisonfoser

      I said a faction within the faction shifted in 1992. Please be honest! For 2016, there were even more, including prominent columnists like David Brooks. Again, this is a matter of historical record.https://www.salon.com/2016/06/10/another_neocon_endorses_clinton_calling_her_2016s_real_conservative_and_the_candidate_of_the_status_quo/ …

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    6. Jamison Foser‏ @jamisonfoser 31 May 2020
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      You said “neocons have shifted parties six times” and listed 1992 as one of the six. It’s right there in the damn screenshot that started this conversation. If by “neocons have shifted parties” you meant “a small number of neocons have shifted parties” you should have said that.pic.twitter.com/hgII8F58R7

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    7. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 31 May 2020
      Replying to @jamisonfoser

      "a faction went for Clinton 1992" -- I don't know how that means anything other than a faction of neo-cons (themselves, as I specified, an elite faction) went for Clinton in 1992; in other words, not a majority for a faction of a faction.

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    8. Jamison Foser‏ @jamisonfoser 31 May 2020
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      So you’re saying that your point (“neocons have shifted parties 6 times”) was false but not dishonest because in your list of the six times you included a caveat meaning “not really.” Got it.

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    9. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 31 May 2020
      Replying to @jamisonfoser

      I'm saying the qualification I made about 1992 was in the original tweet. It's normal in writing to qualify claims when the evidence warrants. It was not something hidden but in the tweet itself.

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    10. Jamison Foser‏ @jamisonfoser 31 May 2020
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      So you retract the parent claim, that “neocons shifted parties six times,” including 1992, because as you acknowledge, only a small faction of them did so. Great. Glad to hear it.

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 31 May 2020
      Replying to @jamisonfoser

      Sigh.

      9:55 AM - 31 May 2020
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        2. Jamison Foser‏ @jamisonfoser 31 May 2020
          Replying to @HeerJeet

          Yes, this is tedious, and it is playing out precisely as I knew it would, which — again — is why I didn’t @ you in the first place. Your style of making claims you can’t support, then dishonestly attacking people who point it out, is neither unique nor skillful. Just boring.

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        3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 31 May 2020
          Replying to @jamisonfoser

          The "claims you can't support" is misstatement of my first tweet since you ignored the qualification in the very tweet.When I provided evidence for the claim you simply dismissed it saying it wasn't "data" - as if we're talking about a mass electoral bloc & not an elite faction

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