Can someone pinpoint the exact moment when "impeach Trump" became the leftist rallying cry and "impeachment is a distraction" became the centrist one, because I feel like something changed along the way
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Replying to @mattyglesias @BenjySarlin
Um, speaking for myself: I always thought focusing on Russiagate (as against health care) was a mistake. But Cohen conviction & Mueller Report both show Trump committed crimes & I think it's a bad message to say a president can get away with crimes.
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Mueller as impeachment fodder is purely lemons to lemonade stuff at this point. That investigation never should've been the primary grounds for a potential effort, but that's what they pushed to the public. So.
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Replying to @JStein_WaPo @mattyglesias and
This is a useful distinction. And if impeachment goes forward it would be over Trump's general lawlessness (obstruction plus, I'd argue, Cohen stuff) not over Russiagate proper.
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Replying to @HeerJeet @JStein_WaPo and
I think from the left the main grounds for impeachment would be things like treatment of immigrants in detention. The more legalistic obstruction stuff is gravy. I suppose you could argue the really terrible stuff is incompetence and/or a policy choice, not “high crimes and
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Replying to @interfluidity @HeerJeet and
misdemeanors”, but as we are always told impeachment is a political not legal process, and pretty clear violations of standards we would apply to others under international law probably suffice under both broader and more legalistic criteria.
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Replying to @interfluidity @HeerJeet and
FWIW I think Matt's point would be more convincing if "Russiagate was a distraction" leftists were criticizing leadership, but more often they were criticizing the press and obsessive liberal followers of Mueller. The Dems' messaging in the midterms focused on policy, rightly so
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Yep. I actually remember praising congressional Dems a few times in 2018 for focusing on healthcare rather than Russiagate So it was never about slagging the leadership.
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Replying to @HeerJeet @interfluidity and
Same. The thing is, when the Dems were just barely standing between Trump and the obliteration of Obamacare, that made for a compelling message. I don't see them being able to make news in the same way on policy now. Policy selling is now more in the 2020 arena.
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