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    1. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 17 Jul 2019

      So, the first publication that went with the "actually, hebephilia is not pedophilia" hot take was The Stranger but that piece was re-tweeted by Jon Kay of Quillette so I think this poll was vindicated.pic.twitter.com/O20NpgWgU2

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    2. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 17 Jul 2019

      The "actually, hebephilia is not pedophilia" hot take is boring because it rests on the banal fact that words can have both a technical meaning & a vernacular one. In Epstein's case, 14 year olds are certainly legally minors so it's fair to call him a child molester.

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    3. Cathy Young  🇺🇦‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 17 Jul 2019
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      I agree with that, but the question is whether "child molester" and "pedophile" should be used interchangeably. I also don't quite get the idea that pointing this out means defending Epstein, which Herzog is clearly not.

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    5. Cathy Young  🇺🇦‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 17 Jul 2019
      Replying to @keikerdont @HeerJeet

      That also works

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    6. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 17 Jul 2019
      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @keikerdont

      "Rapist of minors" is good, as is "child molesters." Terms like hebephile and ephebephile are okay in clinical usage but a bit too specialized and esoteric for popular usage.

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    7. Cathy Young  🇺🇦‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 17 Jul 2019
      Replying to @HeerJeet @keikerdont

      I'm quite all right with calling him a child rapist, too

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    8. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 17 Jul 2019
      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @keikerdont

      Me too. I'm happy to give up the term pedophile as being inexact if it is replaced by terms that aren't euphemistic.

      5 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. Katie Herzog‏Verified account @kittypurrzog 17 Jul 2019
      Replying to @HeerJeet @CathyYoung63 @keikerdont

      Weird! It’s almost like you didn’t read my piece before you tweeted about it!

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 17 Jul 2019
      Replying to @kittypurrzog @CathyYoung63 @keikerdont

      This is a classic contrarian two-step. 1) say something provocative 2) later try to palm it off as a reasonable claim by conflating it with something entirely different. In this case "regular old abuser" is not the same as "child rapist."

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        2. Katie Herzog‏Verified account @kittypurrzog 17 Jul 2019
          Replying to @HeerJeet @CathyYoung63 @keikerdont

          Katie Herzog Retweeted Katie Herzog

          https://twitter.com/kittypurrzog/status/1151643634858483712?s=21 …

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          Katie HerzogVerified account @kittypurrzog
          Replying to @HeerJeet @Catfatmatty
          Did you quit reading at that sentence? Jesus Christ, man. pic.twitter.com/5mtrcEMDQi
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        3. Torville Redenbotter‏ @TravBot 17 Jul 2019
          Replying to @kittypurrzog @HeerJeet and

          You use an awful lot of words to avoid saying that the fact that his victims were as young as 14 is irrelevant. Using the last sentence of your article to say “but maybe that’s worse” doesn’t excuse your erasure of his clear attraction and abuse of, specifically, underage women.

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        1. Manzell dot Beezy‏ @ManzellBeezy 17 Jul 2019
          Replying to @HeerJeet @kittypurrzog and

          hold the fucking phone dude. You tweeted about the hebophilia/pedophilia distinction, now you're saying that wasn't the issue. How's the mirror look? And seriously, have some heart and stand up for what you said. The record's here for everyone to see.

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        1. Rob‏ @samgash33 17 Jul 2019
          Replying to @HeerJeet @kittypurrzog @CathyYoung63

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        1. David Ottlinger‏ @DavidOttlinger 17 Jul 2019
          Replying to @HeerJeet @kittypurrzog and

          It seems that you are implying that by using language like “regular old abuser” Herzog is not taking child sexual abuse seriously. That was also the implication, as I read it, in the original poll. Such accusations are in context are clearly not true and really disrespectful.

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        1. Codename Dutchess‏ @Jimmy_Stick 17 Jul 2019
          Replying to @HeerJeet @kittypurrzog and

          I feel like this happens a lot to you where you stop reading something about half way down

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        2. Sometimes Softly‏ @SometimesSoftly 17 Jul 2019
          Replying to @HeerJeet @kittypurrzog and

          ... Those seem like comfortably overlapping terms. "Abuser" is not a euphemism. The article stresses that E's victims were young teenagers--does that only count if it's bundled together in a noun phrase like "abuser of minors"?

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        3. Sometimes Softly‏ @SometimesSoftly 17 Jul 2019
          Replying to @SometimesSoftly @HeerJeet and

          Or is it "regular old" that offends you? Because the point of the article is that "regular" abusers are *worse* than "pedophiles" per se. Again, that's not how euphemisms work.

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        1. NormalCrow‏ @GoodyCorvid 17 Jul 2019
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