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    2. Octavo‏ @DeadGodsBook 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @OrionKidder @GiffordJames @HeerJeet

      I would tend to agree. It's easy to go back and see his cynicism in the first book after reading Dune Messiah, but reading DM the first time was a hell of a shock for me in high school. Paul's like Hitler? He hates democracy? Fremen hate him? WTF???

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    3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @DeadGodsBook @OrionKidder @GiffordJames

      Once you see that Paul is not a good guy, the story of the first book becomes not the white savior but rather the white guy who hijacks a popular revolution and destroys its democratic impetus: Paul is a kind of Lawrence of Arabia figure but in a critical way.

      2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
    4. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @HeerJeet @OrionKidder @GiffordJames

      yeah...not so much in the first book. and I think it's dicey even in later ones. I mean, you think Rorschach is too indebted to pulp to escape the tropes, right? The criticism there is a lot more blatant than with Dune, imo.

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    5. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @nberlat @OrionKidder @GiffordJames

      I think it's fair to say that both Herbert & Moore are trying to critique the superman idea but both fall into the trap of offering genre audiences their beloved tropes.

      3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    6. James  🌻. GIFford  😷 💉 🩹‏ @GiffordJames 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @HeerJeet @nberlat @OrionKidder

      The same people who like Rorschach like V, even if they’re labelled “Villain” right up front…

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    7. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @GiffordJames @HeerJeet @OrionKidder

      Yeah...see, blaming readers who notice that the characters are enthusiastically glamorized by the narrative seems wrong to me. V's a good example of how an all powerful character can't actually be effectively morally condemned in the narrative.

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    8. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @nberlat @GiffordJames and

      V anticipates the moves of everyone in the comic at all times, even arranging his own death and his own successor. No one effectively argues against him; even the woman he effectively rapes doesn't speak against him.

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    9. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @nberlat @GiffordJames and

      Moore doesn't make V a villain, though some fans of his obviously wish that he had.

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    10. Noah Berlatsky‏Verified account @nberlat 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @nberlat @GiffordJames and

      (I think Rorschach's a good bit more complicated; he loses arguments and fights all the time, ends up betraying his own worst impulses, and dies futilely unmarked and alone. Much easier to argue there's an effective critique of him in the book

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      Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet 15 Feb 2019
      Replying to @nberlat @GiffordJames @OrionKidder

      That he loses for a lost cause makes Rorschach more heroic, not less and in any case there's reason to believe that his legacy will live on in his diary. He's the true hero of Watchmen.

      6:57 PM - 15 Feb 2019
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